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Re: Hyperion and Amiga Inc. reach settlement! Posted on 18-Oct-2009 1:34:18
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Seiya wrote: on justia.com there aren't no news about this settlement..
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Probably because this is an out of court settlement, not a court document. I do expect that the court case will be marked as closed soon.
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Re: Hyperion and Amiga Inc. reach settlement! Posted on 18-Oct-2009 1:36:46
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment CVBA and Amiga Inc. reach settlement Posted on 18-Oct-2009 2:33:45
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"Exclusive" means that you have the right to exclude.
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Oh, there is also that wording which is very important:
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is granted an exclusive, perpetual, worldwide right to AmigaOS 3.1
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English is not my first language but it says about rights which is not the same as ownership.
Nevertheless Hyperion got what they needed and seems Amiga Inc got something in return. Not bad.
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment CVBA and Amiga Inc. reach settlement Posted on 18-Oct-2009 2:39:06
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| I can only hope that Amiga Inc. will sign another contract giving Hyperion the rights to the hardware if Amiga Inc. doesn't deliver.
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment CVBA and Amiga Inc. reach settlement Posted on 18-Oct-2009 3:11:13
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They have the sources for 3.1. They don't have the sources for 3.5 and 3.9 or Amithlon because of the ongoing battles with Haage and Partner.
So many legal battles, it's hard to keep them all straight, isn't it?
I wonder what Hyperion's most ambitious project ever is? Hopefully it's some bleeding edge hardware.
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment CVBA and Amiga Inc. reach settlement Posted on 18-Oct-2009 3:11:28
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If memory serves, Gateway retained the hardware patents when the current Amiga Inc purchased the Amiga name and OS away from them. They got the remaining A1200s and such that still existed but they never really owned any of the custom chip designs that made up the original Amiga hardware. (I could be wrong about this, but I don't believe so.)
So basically today, there is no specific hardware platform that Hyperion would need a license to use. The "AmigaONE" is more of a target spec, than a proprietary hardware platform. Any new line of "AmigaONE" machines that Hyperion chooses to support, could be just about anything. Personally whatever they do support next I hope it will be powerful, reasonably priced and easily available worldwide.
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Re: Hyperion and Amiga Inc. reach settlement! Posted on 18-Oct-2009 3:37:29
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment CVBA and Amiga Inc. reach settlement Posted on 18-Oct-2009 3:39:00
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Any new line of "AmigaONE" machines that Hyperion chooses to support, could be just about anything. Personally whatever they do support next I hope it will be powerful, reasonably priced and easily available worldwide.
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Amen to that!
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment CVBA and Amiga Inc. reach settlement Posted on 18-Oct-2009 4:18:31
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| Stop! It's too much.
First, MorphOS on Macmini, then unexpected OWB update from Joërg and a good one from Fab, then this sneak OS 4.1 tease, and now THIS!!!
The best Amiga week ever since years.
Cheers! !
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment CVBA and Amiga Inc. reach settlement Posted on 18-Oct-2009 4:25:03
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment CVBA and Amiga Inc. reach settlement Posted on 18-Oct-2009 7:05:08
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English is not my first language but it says about rights which is not the same as ownership. |
English is also not my first language, but this is legal text, so probably only lawyers know exactly what it means. But if Hyperion, as the text says "is granted an exclusive, perpetual, worldwide right to AmigaOS 3.1", then how could somebody else be the "owner" of "AmigaOS 3.1", if they don't have any rights to it, since Hyperion has "exclusive" rights, which means they alone have the rights exclusively to AmigaOS 3.1. I think you mentioned Cloanto as an example. If Hyperion have exclusive rights to 3.1, then Cloanto would not have the right to distribute 3.1 as part of the Amiga Forever package, without asking Hyperion's permission to do so. If somebody else distributes 3.1 or any part of it, that would violate Hyperion's exclusive rights, wouldn't it? |
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment CVBA and Amiga Inc. reach settlement Posted on 18-Oct-2009 7:21:05
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About time...well done!
Now go and finish off OS4.1 final!
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment CVBA and Amiga Inc. reach settlement Posted on 18-Oct-2009 7:33:46
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| Well smack me silly with a fat horse monkey cheeseburger dog biscuit! That's great news.
Congratulations Hyperion and co. Loving the new name, catchy
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment CVBA and Amiga Inc. reach settlement Posted on 18-Oct-2009 7:52:45
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| OS4 looks like it is set to get better over time.
I hope enough money is made from this ambitious project to ensure that they keep on existing as a company and that improved versions come out.
It stands a much better chance if people can buy it at a cheap price, i.e. on ARM, which would be in contrast to the price now. From a business point of view, it would be better if it were a cheap option. Mac is an alternative to windows, but it is costly. Last edited by Al4 on 18-Oct-2009 at 07:53 AM.
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment CVBA and Amiga Inc. reach settlement Posted on 18-Oct-2009 8:31:04
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English is also not my first language, but this is legal text, so probably only lawyers know exactly what it means. But if Hyperion, as the text says "is granted an exclusive, perpetual, worldwide right to AmigaOS 3.1", then how could somebody else be the "owner" of "AmigaOS 3.1", if they don't have any rights to it, since Hyperion has "exclusive" rights, which means they alone have the rights exclusively to AmigaOS 3.1. I think you mentioned Cloanto as an example. If Hyperion have exclusive rights to 3.1, then Cloanto would not have the right to distribute 3.1 as part of the Amiga Forever package, without asking Hyperion's permission to do so. If somebody else distributes 3.1 or any part of it, that would violate Hyperion's exclusive rights, wouldn't it?
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As I understand it Hyperion has full rights to use AmigaOS 3.1 to develop and sell their AmigaOS 4 and subsequent versions of AmigaOS 4. I.e. they do not have rights to sell AmigaOS 3.1. I dont even know why Hyperion would want to do that because their interest is on 4.x and they wanted only secure 4.x development not mess with old Amigas.
Anyway if Cloanto can not distribute 3.1 without Hyperion's permission Cloanto can always switch to 3.0 only (if there would be problems with 3.1 licensing).
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Re: Hyperion and Amiga Inc. reach settlement! Posted on 18-Oct-2009 9:06:02
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| Great News! Finally! Thanks to everbody, who made this possible.
@JamieKrueger
Good to see you online. The only one, who got some experience with Amiga Inc. in the last few years, who is able to tell us something about that.
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Re: Hyperion and Amiga Inc. reach settlement! Posted on 18-Oct-2009 9:08:26
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Justice has finally happened! I knew they would rightfully win _________________ Probably Pegasos 2 G4 1Ghz 1GB DDR-system, ATI Radeon 9250, ESI@Juli PCi-soundcard, all running AmigaOS 4.1 with latest updates, or a new powerful Amiga! Fingers crossed! |
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment CVBA and Amiga Inc. reach settlement Posted on 18-Oct-2009 9:11:40
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>>"As I understand it Hyperion has full rights to use AmigaOS 3.1 to develop and sell their AmigaOS 4 and subsequent versions of AmigaOS 4. I.e. they do not have rights to sell AmigaOS 3.1......."
A bit off topic but..............who cares!
Roll on OS4.1 final and BEYOND!
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Re: Hyperion and Amiga Inc. reach settlement! Posted on 18-Oct-2009 9:12:42
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| This is fantastic news! Hyperion can continue to develop AmigaOS. Brilliant.
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Re: Hyperion and Amiga Inc. reach settlement! Posted on 18-Oct-2009 9:25:41
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| Wow. This is easily the best amiga news this year. Congratulations to the negotiators who made this happen!
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