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Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0?
Posted on 18-May-2006 11:54:37
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My thoughts exactly, very well put!

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Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0?
Posted on 18-May-2006 12:17:32
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Actually I've noticed that this kind of attitude is more commonplace in the anti-x86 lobby now. In 5+ years, none of you have managed to come up with a single reason why the x86 port is a bad thing, yet you lot still continue with your incomprehensible anti-x86 dogma and don't even bother justifying your Amiga-death policies.


Since I am also part of the anti-x86 lobby, I will give you a few reasons as to why not. It's going to be the only post I do on the topic, mainly because I have repeated these reasons over and over and frankly growing extremely tired of it. Accept these reasons from me or not, I don't care and it won't change anything anyway.

Reason 1: Hyperion does not have a licence for x86, only for PowerPC.

It should be reasonably simple to see why this would prevent the x86 port totally, even if there was any interest from our side to port it to x86.

Reason 2: x86 equals Windows

I don't care how many contradict this point, but it is a matter of fact that Windows will always be there. I've seriously heard pro-X86-arguments saying "It would make it easy for me to boot into Windows and use Internet Explorer to browse the web", which leads seamlessly to the question as to why you would need an AmigaOS brower in the first place then.

Of course, you might take the fatalistic stance ("There isn't any decent browser on AmigaOS anyway"), but I'd like to think more positive to be honest.

Reason 3: x86 means a multitude of chipsets to support

Face it, NVidia is not going to part with any information on NForce chipsets. And even if you HAVE the actual documentation (like with the VIA686 SB) you still run into all sorts of issues. So this is going to swallow a lot of time and effort.

You could of course limit yourself to a specific chipset or board, and hope that six months down the line that board was still available, or the chipset wouldn't have seen at least X new revisions, but I don't think that is feasible.

And no, Linux isn't a good example, beause for one thing there is little commercial pressure behind it (Distros will just point to the Linux source code) and there is a whole lot more developers working on it. (and no, AmigaOS will not go open source).

Reason 4: There is no x86 in the embedded market

X86 has zero impact on embedded systems. That market is dominated by XScale, PowerPC and MIPS. AmigaOS 4.0 needs the embedded market, because the desktop market does not yield enough turnover to be feasible.

So yes, I *am* bored with this discussion, mostly because it is a dead horse and has been beaten to death at least a hundred times in the meanwhile. You may like or dislike the reasons I have given, but face it, it is irrelevant because it just will not happen.

Yes, I know that the hardware situation is a problem. However, things are going to change soon now, and maybe then we can get this whole fruitless discussion finrally settled down.

Okay, that's all I am going to say. Go ahead and dismantle my arguments, I don't care because they are valid for Hyperion and hence nothing you can say is ever going to change this (especially with respect to 1 and 4). We could discuss the gender of angels with the same practical relevance here, the x86 discussion makes about that much sense.

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      Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0?polka.18-May-2006 12:36:00
          Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0?elatour18-May-2006 14:45:02
          Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0?18-May-2006 15:10:41
              Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0?polka.18-May-2006 15:18:21
                  Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0?18-May-2006 15:36:57
                      Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0?elatour18-May-2006 16:15:36
          Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0?Rogue18-May-2006 15:17:07
              Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0?pixie18-May-2006 15:22:13
              Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0?polka.18-May-2006 15:58:43
                  Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0?polka.18-May-2006 16:00:09
              Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0?elatour18-May-2006 16:11:27
                  Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0?polka.18-May-2006 16:31:23
              Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0?hatschi18-May-2006 18:16:57
              Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0?AmigaHeretic18-May-2006 20:48:46
              Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0?AmigaHeretic18-May-2006 20:49:57
                  Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0?hatschi18-May-2006 20:59:05
              Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0?AmigaHeretic18-May-2006 20:54:15
              Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0?Wraith202118-May-2006 21:05:00
              Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0?Hammer19-May-2006 13:45:52
              Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0?Hammer19-May-2006 13:55:40
              Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0?T_Bone20-May-2006 13:28:44
                  Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0?falemagn20-May-2006 13:29:49
                  Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0?T_Bone20-May-2006 14:09:34
      Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0?Seehund18-May-2006 14:01:59
          Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0?polka.18-May-2006 14:22:44
              Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0?Skunkfish18-May-2006 14:39:48
          Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0?Rogue18-May-2006 15:25:59
              Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0?Hans18-May-2006 15:29:33
              Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0?Teddy18-May-2006 17:31:25
              Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0?nzv58l18-May-2006 21:11:37
                  Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0?hatschi18-May-2006 21:20:16
                  Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0?AmiGame19-May-2006 10:02:10
                      Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0?pixie19-May-2006 11:09:27
                      Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0?polka.19-May-2006 11:14:55
                          Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0?falemagn20-May-2006 13:13:44
              Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0?Seehund19-May-2006 11:01:45
              Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0?Hammer19-May-2006 13:07:53
              Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0?jorkany19-May-2006 14:41:07
              Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0?falemagn20-May-2006 13:12:31
      Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0?wolfe18-May-2006 15:03:08
          Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0?Hans18-May-2006 15:06:09
              Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0?wolfe18-May-2006 15:14:13
                  Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0?Hans18-May-2006 15:20:16
      Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0?pixie18-May-2006 15:06:43
          Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0?AmiGame18-May-2006 15:51:49
              Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0?pixie18-May-2006 17:32:19
              Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0?Tomas18-May-2006 17:36:32
      Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0?elatour18-May-2006 15:58:38
      Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0?Hammer19-May-2006 14:05:46


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Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0?
Posted on 18-May-2006 14:40:43
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@smithy

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Do you really think that or have you just run out of any valid points. It's this kind of elitist 'if you don't agree you must be a pirate' attitude that is killing the Amiga spirit. Actually I've noticed that this kind of attitude is more commonplace in the anti-x86 lobby now. In 5+ years, none of you have managed to come up with a single reason why the x86 port is a bad thing, yet you lot still continue with your incomprehensible anti-x86 dogma and don't even bother justifying your Amiga-death policies. Instead you just resort to abuse ("you're a pirate"), or "I'm bored with this discussion" (then don't join it), or the supremely pathetic "No - because situation will never change" (like group-marching into a minefield chanting "WE AMIGANS RULE!").


Yeah! Someone else calling it like it is!

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