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Re: First round goes to Hyperion
Posted on 23-Jun-2007 6:43:28
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@umisef

As I said only features marked as "essential" are contractually enforceable, and according to my analysis all such features were already completed by the end of 2004 with update2, but even if you insist on certain features being essential which were in fact not (e.g. WarpOS compatibility, JIT), those were included in update3 or update4 which is still more than 6 months before AInc paid their outstanding debts to Hyperion at the end of 2006.

You keep going on about people saying "releases" when in fact it is totally irrelevant, what matters in the end is what's in the contract and the contract says "completed", not "released".

I think we all agree (you, me, Hans-Joerg) that MiniGL is not the fanciest OpenGL solution and that a better one is needed. However the contract does not specify what level of OpenGL compatibility is required for the OpenGL support of OS4 and since MiniGL is perfectly suitable for many games including Quake1/2/3, Freespace1/2 and many others you cannot say that OS4 does not have working OpenGL support.

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are you now suggesting that Hyperion not only did not need to inform Amiga Inc about completing things, but in fact did not even need to put the completed things anywhere where Amiga Inc could possibly notice them being completed? Are you, in fact, suggesting that AI should have guessed that someone, somewhere might have had something completed?


Heh, where did I say this? I said the only valid argument you have is that Hyperion should have informed AInc about the completion. We currently don't know if they did, AFAIK Hyperion provided frequent reports to AInc about the progress of development and this is apparent since AInc have publically commented about how OS4 development is progressing several times.

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Oh, and given these quotes from the declarations, which talk about RELEASING stuff --- why weren't the third party developers paid?


Considering how much they have to pay and how much profit they could have made with around 1000 OS4 sales, I don't think you have to be a rocket scientist to figure it out. If AInc would have let Hyperion release OS4 to other hardware (e.g. Pegasos, MacMini, etc.) when Eyetech stopped producing A1's, Hyperion would have been able to pay those developers in full by now.

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      Re: First round goes to Hyperionacefnq25-Jun-2007 10:37:18
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Re: First round goes to Hyperion
Posted on 22-Jun-2007 17:40:40
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From: Alberta, Canada

@umisef
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Oh, and given these quotes from the declarations, which talk about RELEASING stuff --- why weren't the third party developers paid?

To me, this is the most disturbing behaviour of all. Hyperion has done a lot for us and we are thankful. But not paying developers when OS4 was "released" is no better than Genesi not paying developers or Amiga Inc. not paying employees. All these corporations belong together in the same unfortunate group where the corporation's existence (i.e. profit) is above all else. Friends of our community indeed--just watch your back if you do any work for any of these "friends."
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