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Zylesea 
Re: A-eon interview
Posted on 12-Mar-2010 23:26:37
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All this nda stuff is probably to sound interesting and important. It is a typical dot-com era behaviour.
There is no secret über-cpu that only a-eon has access to.
Either they have access to a few PA6Ts (maybe as customer of a mil/com customer from Apple/PA Semi) or they will solder any other of the available dual core ppcs to teh board. In case ofthe Titan it would be a weak solution in case of an 864*D an a bit nicer solution. But i guess then Altivec would have been confirmed already. All this secrecy and XMOS talk is a maneuver to distract from the mediocrecy.

And where is the announced prelinimary website?

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Re: A-eon interview
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Re: A-eon interview
Posted on 13-Mar-2010 1:23:00
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@Zylesea

Quote:
All this nda stuff is probably to sound interesting and important. It is a typical dot-com era behaviour.
There is no secret über-cpu that only a-eon has access to.
Either they have access to a few PA6Ts (maybe as customer of a mil/com customer from Apple/PA Semi) or they will solder any other of the available dual core ppcs to teh board. In case ofthe Titan it would be a weak solution in case of an 864*D an a bit nicer solution. But i guess then Altivec would have been confirmed already. All this secrecy and XMOS talk is a maneuver to distract from the mediocrecy.

And where is the announced prelinimary website?


The project is mediocre.. and you're concerned with when they're going to put up their website. Interesting.

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Re: A-eon interview
Posted on 13-Mar-2010 8:16:40
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All this nda stuff is probably to sound interesting and important. It is a typical dot-com era behaviour.
There is no secret über-cpu that only a-eon has access to.
[...]
And where is the announced prelinimary website?

I agree. I'm sure it's already done but they are getting rid of all mentions to the CPU under NDA ;)

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Re: A-eon interview
Posted on 13-Mar-2010 11:11:56
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@KimmoK

> I have gone through those embedded PPC information sources (weekly) that I have >and so far only PA6T match with the given data.

but tell that there is a mainboard here is also not such a much secret.

remember your link to transtech in that post ?

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=30380&forum=2&start=660#530146

http://www.transtech.co.uk/tm31.html

Does this link work for somebody ?.

the link dont work(i get page not find soon so seem this link seem disconnect), but i see they offer a PA6 board on January.Do you remember too ?

so i think its possible to tell that there should come some day a new board that use PA6 and there is no reason to not tell that a new PA6 board come.or at least can tell if X1000 CPU have altivec or not

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KimmoK 
Re: A-eon interview
Posted on 13-Mar-2010 11:16:49
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@Zylesea

>All this nda stuff is probably to sound interesting and important. It is a typical dot-com era behaviour.

The bigger the firm, the more things are under NDA. It has always been so and it will be.
I respect Amig acomppanies on how well they anyway have succeeded keeping their NDA promises (again rememberin the Amiga - Nokia agreements).

>There is no secret über-cpu that only a-eon has access to.

LOL!

>Either they have access to a few PA6Ts (maybe as customer of a mil/com customer from Apple/PA Semi)

There's enough mysteries around PASemi chips, so that's my best bet that it's the PA6T.

>But i guess then Altivec would have been confirmed already.

They have said that single core of the X1000 outperforms any current AOS4 compatible HW.
I do not see that being possible without TWO VMX/Altivec units.

To not to reveal any more stuff, is very wise, because every guess to the right direction can decrease their credibility with the NDA.

>All this secrecy and XMOS talk is a maneuver to distract from the mediocrecy.

No I'ts just the Amiga spirit in there that makes them indicate xmos importance being bigger than the CPU.

>And where is the announced prelinimary website?

It must have been mistake to announce it. Because of the NDAs, the web site will be harder to maintain. Already the teaser site was a risk. IMHO, that is.

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Re: A-eon interview
Posted on 13-Mar-2010 11:36:34
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@bernd_afa

Also I noticed that the site is now offline. (co-insident ?)

Their PASemi offering seemed almost identical with this: http://www.varisys.co.uk/vm31.html
(notice varisys HW Design services and co operation with XMOS)

Varisys seems active, even though they do not update web site that often...
http://embedded-computing.com/topics/varisys-ltd
IIRC, VM31 was being sold on some embedded HW place for example in January... but I migh be mistaken...

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bernd_afa 
Re: A-eon interview
Posted on 13-Mar-2010 11:51:51
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@KimmoK
>Their PASemi offering seemed almost identical with this: >http://www.varisys.co.uk/vm31.html

very strange, look as they have same products.I want look at the whois entries. but i dont know how i can enter a page xxxx.co.uk

http://www.whois.net/

I see only extension .uk

So i thy in

varisys.co

or this

varisys

but this give mailformat

can somebody post whois information of both transtech and varisys ?

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Zylesea 
Re: A-eon interview
Posted on 13-Mar-2010 12:19:07
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@jahc

I am not too concerned about the website. But the yet not appeared preliminary website is so typical. They do not even put a simple and serious website online. sorry to say so, but it sound way too amateurish. I am fed up with with all this cheering for a company that has *nothing* to offer except hot air.
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Re: A-eon interview
Posted on 13-Mar-2010 15:55:01
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@kimmoK
>Also I noticed that the site is now offline. (co-insident ?)

Seem transtech have give up, the page is end after 6.feb.2010

verisys register end in Sept 2010.

https://secure.internic.co.uk/cart/domainhosting/cwhoiscart.php?cwaction=lookup&domain=transtech.co.uk

Domain name:
transtech.co.uk

Registrant:
Transtech Parallel Systems Ltd

Registrant type:
UK Limited Company, (Company number: 1990621)

Registrant's address:
P.O. Box 2026
Maidenhead
Berks
SL6 8GZ
United Kingdom

Registrar:
No registrar listed. This domain is registered directl
y with Nominet.

Relevant dates:
Registered on: before Aug-1996
Renewal date: 06-Feb-2010
Last updated: 10-Feb-2006

Registration status:
Renewal required.
*** This registration has been SUSPENDED. ***


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https://secure.internic.co.uk/cart/domainhosting/cwhoiscart.php?cwaction=lookup&domain=varisys.co.uk

Domain name:
varisys.co.uk

Registrant:
Varisys Ltd

Registrant type:
Unknown

Registrant's address:
Instron House
Coronation Road
High Wycombe
,
,
Buckinghamshire
HP12 3SY
United Kingdom

Registrar:
Andrews & Arnold Limited [Tag = AAISP]

Relevant dates:
Registered on: 12-Sep-2000
Renewal date: 12-Sep-2010
Last updated: 07-Nov-2008

Registration status:
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Name servers:
primary-dns.co.uk 81.187.30.41 2001:8b0:0:30::
51bb:1e29
secondary-dns.co.uk 81.187.81.32 2001:8b0:0:81::
51bb:5120

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I see pa6t is a 64 Bit CPU.I dont think that if the X1000 really have a 64 CPU this can not tell.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PWRficient

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KimmoK 
Re: A-eon interview
Posted on 13-Mar-2010 18:23:56
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@bernd_afa

PA6T has also 32 bit "compatibility" mode.

None of the existing/available (or soon to be released) PPC chips seem to have PCI x16 capability. PA6T does.

So. IMO:
- There's a mistake in nemo motherboard specs and the chip is one of the other known PPCs. (like AMCC Titan, but then there would be no need for NDA)
- The CPU is some new un announced PPC chip. (I do not think it is.)
- The CPU is PA6T and it's future wider availability is the NDA thing??? (Apple manufactures it? IBM manufactures it? Old stock from discontinued military business?? (PA6T powers F35 etc.))

To me it seems that the many years old PA6T still is the best known option for NG PPC Amiga (PPC970MP caliber chip with less watts). But we'll see if it is the one or not...


@speculation

I find it strange if Apple does nothing with the PPC knowhow etc. that they bought from PASemi. PASemi was at least two years ahead from other PPC companies.

Update:
btw. to me it seems that XES has discontinued their PA6T offerings, IIRC, I saw them here before: http://www.xes-inc.com/ProductFinder.html
PA6T is being removed from several places: http://www.sarsen.net/sarsen-manufacturer-xes-pasemi.html

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Re: A-eon interview
Posted on 13-Mar-2010 19:16:45
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@KimmoK

Quote:


>But i guess then Altivec would have been confirmed already.

They have said that single core of the X1000 outperforms any current AOS4 compatible HW.
I do not see that being possible without TWO VMX/Altivec units.


Selective benchmarks and marketing go hand in hand and not just since Apple's G4-campaign

What is true is that there is quite a lot of smoke&mirrors when it comes to the down-2-earth specs of the X1000, something not the unusual, but also something that only rarely leads to a product living up to the speculation&hype.

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Re: A-eon interview
Posted on 13-Mar-2010 20:13:08
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@Zylesea

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I am not too concerned about the website. But the yet not appeared preliminary website is so typical. They do not even put a simple and serious website online. sorry to say so, but it sound way too amateurish.


I disagree. Putting a website up too far from the release date would be amateurish. I believe they should put up the website whey they have the system almost ready to ship, with full specs, photos of the complete system (case design, etc.), running OS4, prices, availability, maybe some performance info. Members of the community trying to pressure them to do things any other way is wrong.

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@COBRA

Claiming to be a company that will bring the Amiga back from the grave and then being unable to set up a basic website is the absolute peak of proffesionalism thats for sure .

Noone in their right mind would bother replacing a stupid riddle-page with some minmal information on the company, it's goals, contact addresses etc a mere 3 months before the anticpated launch of what is pretty much the launch of a brand-new computer platform (or the relaunch of a 25 year old one).

No irony or sarcasm has been used to produce this post.

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The NDA crap is a load, it's covering. There is absolutely no excuse for the lack of xs1-l1 specs and support info. I've been an EE for over a decade and this all looks ridiculous. I have doubts if this X1000 will even be released. The NDA is probably between A-EON and Hyperion. Hyperion is ruling this game and A-EON is at it's whim. Yet another group of dedicated suckers about to be hammered into the ground by the amiga curse. When will people learn?

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Sorry Trev, you're a nice guy and I like you, but you are about to find out what happens to nice guys.

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With the risk of having moderators strike down upon me for sharing my mind...

Compare the X1000 against Natami...
Which of the two appears most amateurish?
Which of the two offers somthing Amiga communty is longing for?
Which of the two are most likely to be available?

As I see it, the X1000 only atracts one certain segment of the amiga market.
Dont follow the links, you might be offended.

MOD NOTE: You can share your mind without insulting others that they are "clueless gullible lunatics".

30 day ban.

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@kolla

The X1000 obviously, it offers a future.....

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@Kronos

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Noone in their right mind would bother replacing a stupid riddle-page with some minmal information on the company, it's goals, contact addresses etc a mere 3 months before the anticpated launch of what is pretty much the launch of a brand-new computer platform (or the relaunch of a 25 year old one).


Quite the opposite in fact. We know that A-EON is a startup company. We know that they couldn't put up something which would make them appear credible, because they have no past products to show, no history or reputation exists yet. The only way forward in this case is to put the page up very close to the release date of what they're making, otherwise people will just be throwing mud at them (even more than now) because they haven't produced any goods yet. They shouldn't even have revealed their existence yet. The only reason they have done so was to satisfy certain members of the community, and to make sure they don't leave before the champagne is opened.

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