@treblesix

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treblesix wrote: @nicholas Quote: Well, born agains only ever get "born again" because they have absolutley no love in their life. The love we feel for our children is the strongest love in the world. Much more powerful than any "love of God". Nothing like it in ever, for sure.

I like most other parents would die if it meant saving my son. I'm nearly £30,000 in debt as a direct consequence of fighting for my son (long story, needs another thread!).

The love I have for him and the unconditional love he has towards me, means more than any claptrap a relgious preacher can come up with.

They might be right, they might be wrong. Who cares? I certainly don't.

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@nicholas

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I like most other parents would die if it meant saving my son. I'm nearly £30,000 in debt as a direct consequence of fighting for my son (long story, needs another thread!). The love I have for him and the unconditional love he has towards me, means more than any claptrap a relgious preacher can come up with. They might be right, they might be wrong. Who cares? I certainly don't.

If people want to waste their time @ the bottom of their garden talking to faerie folk, as long as they ain't hurting anyone, lemme be, i say.

as for god, if there was one, the world woudn't be such a fecked up place. The people who are 'evil' get away with everything, and the 'innocent' suffer. That's hardly a world of a true and fair god is it.

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@Wiffy

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Wiffy wrote: Ive got these othordox candles for sale...

that had to come up here somewhere!

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Y is Billsey so damned quiet, since he started this nonsense in the first place

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Couldn't we just get God to moderate....

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Don't worry I am here.

Be modest my friend, modest

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jkirk wrote: @DJRJ Quote: "A small mind is easily filled with faith." this is what wiffy was talking about. since you believe someting and acted on this in a religious fashion are you really an athiest or a person with deeply rooted beliefs that form the basis of your own personal religion.

That part of my signature is a special, this-week-only deal designed to annoy people. Annoying though it is however there is a grain or two of truth in there, if you are willing to look for it. I believe that there is no God, but I am not ... (looking for the right word) ... fanatical about it. There is belief, there is faith, and then there is Faith, and you can almost see the (c), (r) and tm on the last term.

Belief and faith are complementary to reasoning in my opinion - They look out for each other and help to create a unified whole. On the other hand, Faith ((c), (r) and tm etc) is an all or nothing proposition. It does not allow any form of coexistance with any other form of thought, reason or belief. Those who follow "The One True Faith" are those most likely to oppress those around them into thinking and believing as they do, and no this "One True Faith" doesn't need to be solely about religion either. For an example, look at George Dubbya and his personal crusade to bring Democracy to Iraq. Yes, I said the 'C' word, and in this sense my usage is fully justified. I just wish that Dubbya would remove the blinkers long enough to see that throughout history there has only ever been one successful imposition of a democratic government on a people from an outside party, and it took the command of an Emperor to help make it happen. Most democracies either evolved over time, like the United Kingdom, or fought for and died to attain it, like the United States of America.



Doug

P.S - No answers yet on the reference for where I got the last line of my .sig from...

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Be modest my friend, modest

Now go in peace my son and may the free beer coupons rain upon you.

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BrianK wrote: Being most of the 60's hippies (not all) are Republicans and a large number Fundamentalist Christians I think the 60's fear the 'hippie' was right! They're now in charge! AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Hi BrianK,

I don't think so.

It's (a very few) RICH people and out of control governments in charge, with the churches having a hand in it too.

@Coder

Free beer?!?! Gimmie some of that old time religion!



Doug

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You know that pretty sound you play when the computer starts?
You need another one to play when the computer is actually ready to use.
Maybe add more for malfunctions and then we'll have music all day.

@DJRJ

Bread, fishes and budweiser - lets have a bit of a barbeque!

Moderated by Wiffy, reason: borderline comment being edited out to allow the thread to be returned to free-for-all.

Last edited by Wiffy on 30-May-2005 at 01:13 PM.

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Wiffy wrote: @DJRJ Bread, fishes and budweiser - lets have a bit of a barbeque!

Change the Bud to Stella and you got yourself a deal!

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@DJRJ

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I believe that there is no God, but I am not ... (looking for the right word) ... fanatical about it.

neither am i. and i do believe in god. matter of fact i am a born again christian. while some christians bury their head in the sand the majority don't. there are some points of disagreement in science but this is life.


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Belief and faith are complementary to reasoning in my opinion - They look out for each other and help to create a unified whole. On the other hand, Faith ((c), (r) and tm etc) is an all or nothing proposition.

i don't see the difference. i agree with the first statement however you basically said the same thing in the second statement. if you believe in something religious or not and have faith that it will happen is it not an all or nothing reasoning(proposition).

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Those who follow "The One True Faith" are those most likely to oppress those around them into thinking and believing as they do, and no this "One True Faith" doesn't need to be solely about religion either.

some will but not most or even all. as far as not necessarily about religion i agree wholehartedly otherwise the red vs blue wars would have never been fought. now it is against apple/microsoft?

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DJRJ wrote: WEAK ATHIESTS - Those who do not believe in the existance of God(ess)(s/es). STRONG ATHIESTS - Those who believe that God(ess)(s/es) do not and can not exist.

Hi DJRJ,

I should go look there. (But I'm always too busy here. )

I didn't know of those two distinctions in Atheism.

I am in the "strong Atheism" camp, too.

The more I learn about science, and especially all the new stuff coming out every day in magazines like Scientific American, et. al., too much to digest everything out there, the MORE ABSOLUTE it is that there aren't any supernatural beings out there.

And, I would say it's VERY BIGOTED to think that there could possibly be ONLY one god, even.

Religious people are QUICK to COMPLETELY dispose of other gods before them.

How many Christians or Muslims studied about ALL THE OTHER gods out there? Hindus have a few dozen gods, alone.

I'll post some names (not just from India), when I get my game over from my A2000.


I truely say, I can make any old crap up and call it a religion, finding followers, that's not necessarily the hard part, believe it, .... or NOT!!!!!!!!

@nicholas

chuck in a few bottles of Broon Ale and I'm there !

not sure about the fishies though...enormous Cumberland saussies would be preferable...

@DJRJ - pray tell...

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I think some could do with seeing a) bigger pictures b) shades of grey in those pictures.
ie: the difference between religious and fundamentalist.
my mother is religious (quite deeply christian if y'must know) but didnt force it on me. well not much - I had to go to Sunday school, which I hated, but I then got to go to church proper because of that. cut long2short : I used to be christian, but fell out with organised religions firstly, and then religion as a whole later. I consider myself agnostic - I'm open to either side, but please dont force the issue on me, I'll decide for myself, just like my kids will, and I'll still love em just the same. (as it happens I follow most of the 10 commandments. not sure about the cow though - my neighbourhood doesnt hold up to too many of those !).
I wasnt offended by Billseys sigs, it just got wayy to long - most of that could've been put on the 'additional Info' field in his profile. the one about the Soap bubble was bang out of order though - essentially 'if you dont have the christian god in your life, then your life is pointless'. that began to wind me up, which is a shame, as Billsey seems to be a nice guy.
I dislike fundamentalists of all types - because the one fundamental they all seem to follow most fervently is that everyone who isnt of your belief is wrong. this is total canine excreta, and is very very dangerous. it also tends to defy a lot of the rules laid down by the creed they are so hung up about. like slaughtering infidels, and anyone else who slightly disagrees for example. and no, I'm not just talking about Muslims, but Christians too. the best kind are the everyday ones who actually pay attention to the bits about being nice to each other.

addendum: think on this: anyone who is capable of creating a Universe AND STILL BEING AROUND some 15 bn years in isnt even going to have noticed that some creatures on this moist pebble started walking upright, and disagreeing with each other !
addendum2: those that think they are following the One True Faith could well find that its just part of a greater truth.

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@treblesix

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Y is Billsey so damned quiet, since he started this nonsense in the first place

BURN THE WITCH!

@Atheist

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The more I learn about science, and especially all the new stuff coming out every day in magazines like Scientific American, et. al., too much to digest everything out there, the MORE ABSOLUTE it is that there aren't any supernatural beings out there.

funny, the more I learn about the deeper universe, the more I come to the conclusion that Humanity isnt gonna learn the truth for a long time, if at all.

@nicholas

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Jesus was an arab

not true. Jesus of Nazareth was a Jew. Mohammed was an Arab.

...and Sheena was a Punk Rocker.

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@DruidPoet

'ow do we KNOW 'e's a witch ?

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