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Re: OS4 MultiCPU Support, Altivec, G5/64bit mode? Posted on 4-Mar-2005 0:58:22
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I thought one of the Friedens already had a dual G4 (or G3) cpu module or something like that? |
Yes. It was a dual 7410 module. However, it was still for the old revision boards, and I think it only runs at 100 MHz FSB. But it shows that this is possible with the current system (i.e. the CPU modules on the MegArray slot)._________________ Thomas, the kernel guy
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Re: OS4 MultiCPU Support, Altivec, G5/64bit mode? Posted on 4-Mar-2005 2:26:44
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I thought one of the Friedens already had a dual G4 (or G3) cpu module or something like that? |
Yes. It was a dual 7410 module. However, it was still for the old revision boards, and I think it only runs at 100 MHz FSB. But it shows that this is possible with the current system (i.e. the CPU modules on the MegArray slot). |
Thomas- so to clarify this slightly, I'm assuming this means you had a dual CPU card installed, under AOS4, using a single CPU for tasks, but test code to recognize the second CPU? Or was this more, ie beginning of SMP code branch?
(I know it won't be in 4.0 and don't expect it to be, but it's still exciting, right? _________________ Are we not done with the same silly arguments and flames yet??! |
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Re: OS4 MultiCPU Support, Altivec, G5/64bit mode? Posted on 4-Mar-2005 8:30:37
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ok, but Alitivec is used by the system, but not and os4/macos feature. or not?
Now, can you tell me in wich part of os is used? just for my knowledge.
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Re: OS4 MultiCPU Support, Altivec, G5/64bit mode? Posted on 4-Mar-2005 9:59:54
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can you tell me in wich part of os Altivec is used |
Huh? GUIs don't need to use Altivec. Ok, maybe Moovid uses it I don't know._________________ Philippe 'Elwood' Ferrucci Sam460 1.10 Ghz AmigaOS 4 betatester Amiga Translator Organisation |
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Re: OS4 MultiCPU Support, Altivec, G5/64bit mode? Posted on 4-Mar-2005 10:03:43
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Thomas- so to clarify this slightly, I'm assuming this means you had a dual CPU card installed, under AOS4, using a single CPU for tasks, but test code to recognize the second CPU? Or was this more, ie beginning of SMP code branch? |
No, this was before OS4 was in a state that could boot. At that time, the new board revision came out so the modules didn't work anymore and it was no priority, anyway._________________ Thomas, the kernel guy
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Re: OS4 MultiCPU Support, Altivec, G5/64bit mode? Posted on 4-Mar-2005 10:05:49
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ok, but Alitivec is used by the system, but not and os4/macos feature. or not? |
Altivec is not used by the syste (i.e. no parts actually use alternate code paths for Altivec), but the system has to support application altivec code by providing the scheduler support for Altivec... nothing more, nothing less..._________________ Thomas, the kernel guy
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Re: OS4 MultiCPU Support, Altivec, G5/64bit mode? Posted on 4-Mar-2005 10:17:46
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Re: OS4 MultiCPU Support, Altivec, G5/64bit mode? Posted on 4-Mar-2005 10:53:58
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Quote: On the PPC, instructions are always 32 bit in size, regardless of the processor (32 or 64 bit).
Edit: Can somebody integrate a spellchecker in amigaworld.net ?
Ok, it is just good then because of linearity.
Every now and then I shame my english in this list. I lost my dictionary month's ago ... in finnish we don't have b,c,d,f,g,q,w,x,z letters allmost not at all and it is too often best quess how I write down them here uhhh... |
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Re: OS4 MultiCPU Support, Altivec, G5/64bit mode? Posted on 4-Mar-2005 10:55:28
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avcodec.library detects altivec and utilizing it. While moovid decodes via avcodec.library, it is altivec accelerated.
IIRC the update2 contains moovid+avcodec.library and altivec enabled kernel. Anybody can tell me the version of them? (Is there any releasenotes inculded in the update?)
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Re: OS4 MultiCPU Support, Altivec, G5/64bit mode? Posted on 4-Mar-2005 11:24:43
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Re: OS4 MultiCPU Support, Altivec, G5/64bit mode? Posted on 5-Mar-2005 20:51:07
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Yeah, I know that lots of stuff that was planned for later versions are already in 4.0 I wrote that in 1st sentence. The map is only a rough guide, with features that are already in or planned to be put in the next versions. Also, this map was the only one I've found on the web. I know it's old, but I'm not out of date.
You're doing wonderfull job so far, and I like it very much. (I only saw OS4 from demos for the web). I plan to buy A1 very soon and I'am looking forward to see what OS4 can do with my own eyes.
I know that you've done a lot so far, but if can do it faster that would be nice. (things are moving very slow) I apreciate your work very much, and I think you've done it just the way we want it, way we use to use AOS - please HURRY. We must catch up with rest of the world, (when you done it (I mean cathching up thing) AOS will be far ahead of competition). I showed demos to my fiends and neighbours. Comments about functionality and speed were like this: "This is not possible, that must be an edited video, apps can't load and execute so fast" "Boot time 9 seconds-don't belive you 'till I see you with my own eyes at your home" and lot's of comments like that. They are used to Win XP, which runs pretty slow even on very fast machines.
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Re: OS4 MultiCPU Support, Altivec, G5/64bit mode? Posted on 5-Mar-2005 22:00:23
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while MS still doesn't have a 64 bit Windows that's released AFAIK. |
Like AmigaOS4 Pre-release edition, MS has released a "Release Candidate"(precursor to RTM status) Windows XP X64 in the general public. Windows XP X64 planed for release sometime in April 2005 e.g. NVIDIA already has WHQL X64 drivers. Microsoft is basically waiting for other HW partners to submit their candidate WHQL X64 drivers.
Secondly, Microsoft already released a 64bit edition of Windows XP/2003 for Itanium.Last edited by Hammer on 05-Mar-2005 at 10:09 PM.
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Re: OS4 MultiCPU Support, Altivec, G5/64bit mode? Posted on 5-Mar-2005 22:03:30
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Roughly when do you think we will see multi-user abilities and full memory protection and resource tracking?
Multiple users is not something that I am overly worried about but I like the idea of usually running a machine in non administrator or super user mode.
As for full memory protection, if applications didn't miss behave we wouldn't need it.
Also I like this OS X eye candy so is there any plans of changing the graphics subsystem to be more like Quartz / OpenGL and Avalon / DirectX 10?
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Re: OS4 MultiCPU Support, Altivec, G5/64bit mode? Posted on 5-Mar-2005 22:09:23
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while MS still doesn't have a 64 bit Windows that's released AFAIK. |
I can't remember it's name but there was that Xeon version that has been around for a while._________________
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Re: OS4 MultiCPU Support, Altivec, G5/64bit mode? Posted on 5-Mar-2005 22:14:47
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MS Windows 2003 Server IA-32 edition's the service pack X64 update is at RC2 (Release Candidate 2) status. _________________ Ryzen 9 7900X, DDR5-6000 64 GB RAM, GeForce RTX 4080 16 GB Amiga 1200 (Rev 1D1, KS 3.2, PiStorm32lite/RPi 4B 4GB/Emu68) Amiga 500 (Rev 6A, KS 3.2, PiStorm/RPi 3a/Emu68) |
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Re: OS4 MultiCPU Support, Altivec, G5/64bit mode? Posted on 2-Apr-2005 4:44:24
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can we get a response to comment 33? :)
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Re: OS4 MultiCPU Support, Altivec, G5/64bit mode? Posted on 2-Apr-2005 4:51:42
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while MS still doesn't have a 64 bit Windows that's released AFAIK. |
Like AmigaOS4 Pre-release edition, MS has released a "Release Candidate"(precursor to RTM status) Windows XP X64 in the general public. Windows XP X64 planed for release sometime in April 2005 e.g. NVIDIA already has WHQL X64 drivers. Microsoft is basically waiting for other HW partners to submit their candidate WHQL X64 drivers.
Secondly, Microsoft already released a 64bit edition of Windows XP/2003 for Itanium. |
Wow, Hammer's back to try to play Devils Advocate as usual. Care to share when MS releases a final x64 release for 2003 server? Want to compare it to how long it's been available for Redhat, SuSE/SLES, and other Linuxes? Yeah, Microsoft innovation and 'capability' at work, huh?
NO ONE uses Itanium, and it was still late._________________ Are we not done with the same silly arguments and flames yet??! |
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Re: OS4 MultiCPU Support, Altivec, G5/64bit mode? Posted on 2-Apr-2005 5:13:50
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I'd like a fast G4 system with new RAM/graphics possibly with a dual cpu. I can wait.
With OS4-pre I am having a bunch of fun as it comes together. I was looking at a case today in a camera shop and am now thinking about a luggable that can run solid state RAM/CF card for about 12-15 hrs with a wall plug switchover to extend that.
The case would allow all sorts of stuff not possible with the Reimertronic Tablet design.
First we need a finished OS. Then it would be nice to have a 5000 µA1 machine supply followed by a new fast G4 micro ATX. At that point in time there should be new apps available.
I really don't want to see open office ported. Sorry. I wouldn't mind needed functionality being defined properly and Amiga style programming techniques being applied to create a suite of tools and functions.
I've got a full fledged desktop publisher here that is less than a 2M executable. My browser while buggy is a similar size and footprint. We may need features desparately but we don't need the bloat that has occurred elsewhere. A fast G4 would throw these apps around. My G3 without DMA and JIT makes them really snappy and useable.
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Re: OS4 MultiCPU Support, Altivec, G5/64bit mode? Posted on 2-Apr-2005 9:23:03
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can we get a response to comment 33? :) |
Of course we can _________________ Thomas, the kernel guy
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Re: OS4 MultiCPU Support, Altivec, G5/64bit mode? Posted on 2-Apr-2005 9:29:28
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Roughly when do you think we will see multi-user abilities and full memory protection and resource tracking? |
Multi-User: No idea. It's not a priority right now.
Full memory protection: This is not going to work on AmigaOS. All we can do is a partial protection, but that's it. To do a full protection, a lot of things have to change and this will definitely break a lot of old applications.
Resource tracking: Frankly, I don't know. There is already some resoure tracking facility, but it's not extensively used due to some problems (some programs allocating stuff in one task, and then freeing it in another task while the first task was already killed, etc).
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Also I like this OS X eye candy so is there any plans of changing the graphics subsystem to be more like Quartz / OpenGL and Avalon / DirectX 10? |
Yes, there are ideas floating around for a "3d"-hardware-accelerated window system. Note: NOT a 3D window system (I personally find these to be utterly useless), but a window system that uses 3D hardware as some sort of "super-blitter" much like Mac OS does._________________ Thomas, the kernel guy
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