@falemagn

In my POV, it’s a good thing that MS has dumped that toy OS (i.e. Win9X/ME).

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@Hammer

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Hammer wrote: @falemagn In my POV, it’s a good thing that MS has dumped that toy OS (i.e. Win9X/ME).

Are you implying that it's a good thing that Hyperion dumps AOS4 for the desktop?

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digitaldisaster wrote: @Seer IIRC MOL is a Virtual Machine and not an emualtor just like VMWare Edit: From the MOL FAQ: Quote: Q: Is MOL really an emulator? A: No, not really. Very few things are actually emulated. Technically it is a "virtual" machine with custom device drivers. Q: Is MOL similar to VMWare on x86? A: With the reservation that I have never tested VMWare, yes. MOL does not emulate hardware though (according to the rumors, VMWare does this (?)).

VMWARE emulates X86’s Ring 0 level instructions (one example). The application level Ring 1/2/3 is not emulated (recalling from memory).

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@Amigo1

Hyperion have previously stated that the classic PPC port does not consume alrge ammounts of resources as most of the OS is ahrdware independant, the HAL and device drivers are all that are specific to the classic PPC amigas teh rest is inherited from A1 PPC development

@thread

Remember Be? They shifted focus to the "Internet Applience" and developments from that were meant to filter through back to the OS (Decause the devs liked it so much, as people are proposing with AOS4 if it focuses on the embedded market) but very little ever appeared (admitedly them going bankrupt didn't help). AOS4 Desktop IMHO should continue along side any embedded developments and not take a back seat role

@All

I have read it now on PolarBoing in Norwegian to get a better understanding. It proves that PPC WAS and IS the best choice, and x86 a far WORSE choice in overall conclusion. It also seems that it's not only the Amiga-fans who are completely against Apples' move to Intel x86 (having full sympathy with the Mac-users), but also every Mac-users exploded with terrible anger and stated if this is the case, which unfortunately seem to be, then the Mac-users have bougth their very last Mac!

The difference with the Amiga is that the Amiga again stands completely indepedent of this, and Amiga can just keep using the PPC-technology! The PPC won't die and it will still be there. It's just Apple being stupid moving from something brilliant to something tragic like the x86. It's like moving to a faster, more terrible death for them. I wish Apple good luck to digging their own grave!

Anway, it's now clear that the Amiga can again prove its' indepedence and keep moving forward with the PPC-technology We don't need x86, we don't need Windows. We need AmigaOne, AmigaOS and PPC-technology! It's as simple as that!

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@falemagn

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Are you implying that it's a good thing that Hyperion dumps AOS4 for the desktop?

Win9X/ME trunks 32bit calls into 16bit calls…

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@Hammer

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Win9X/ME trunks 32bit calls into 16bit calls…

I'm not sure how we got into discussing technical details about W98 All I meant to say with my first comment containing the W98 reference is that it's not really a good thing for customers.

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@digitaldisaster

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digitaldisaster wrote: @thread Remember Be? They shifted focus to the "Internet Applience" and developments from that were meant to filter through back to the OS (Decause the devs liked it so much, as people are proposing with AOS4 if it focuses on the embedded market) but very little ever appeared (admitedly them going bankrupt didn't help). AOS4 Desktop IMHO should continue along side any embedded developments and not take a back seat role

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BeOS gave it away when they had no use for it. Anyone who had a reasonable interest could get it. This isn't the case with AmigaOS. The desktop hardware seems to have dried up, or if available, is near the end unless someone can be convinced into one last production run. I can't reasonably be expected to buy into hardware with no future plans, if even the OS that runs on it, which hasn't been released yet, is being talked about in the past tense.

I WANT to find a reason, desperately, to be able to buy an Amiga desktop system, but I feel it's being marginalised into something unreasonable. Eyetech is apathetic to another production run, and Hyperion is apethetic to the desktop... so how am I supposed to feel anything but apethetic to the combined offerings?

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@Helgis

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I have read it now on PolarBoing in Norwegian to get a better understanding. It proves that PPC WAS and IS the best choice,

Define best.

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It also seems that it's not only the Amiga-fans who are completely against Apples' move to Intel x86 (having full sympathy with the Mac-users), but also every Mac-users exploded with terrible anger and stated if this is the case, which unfortunately seem to be, then the Mac-users have bougth their very last Mac!

I don’t understand why these fanatics can’t view Apple as equal to Microsoft or SUN in relation to multiple ISA support?

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@T_Bone

Come on bro, cheer up! The world hasn't come to an end!

Yet.

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@T_Bone

I agree with T_Bone.

@digitaldisaster

It sounds like an almost exact repeat of the BeIA disaster...

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@Hyperionmp

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There is no desktop market anymore, there are only mobile and CE markets. That's where AmigaOS needs to go. OS 4 was never intended to challenge MacOS or Windows directly. Doing so would be abandoning some of the key virtues that make AmigaOS what it is. Time to snap out of these fantasies. AmigaOS 4 is intended as a multimediacentric embedded systems OS which also happens to run very well on embedded systems type hardware: the AmigaOne.

That's great for Hyperion if they can get into the embedded systems market, but that leaves the Amiga user, where? An embedded system is something with a limited interface geared towards a specific task. Unless you happen to be a software developer, I don't think that's the "computing experience" most Amiga users are looking for.

For example, is buying a DVR, cell phone, or some mobile entertainment center built into an automobile the future of Amiga? If so, that future kind of sucks for the Amiga user. Is someone going to buy a car because it's multimedia entertainment system uses OS4? Do most end users give a crap what OS their cell phone uses?

You say OS4 was never meant to challenge Windows directly, but guess who is a big player in embedded systems these days? Also, ever heard of Symbian? How about Linux? Good luck with your embedded systems future, but somehow I don't think that's what the Amiga community was expecting when they bought those A1's.

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jorkany wrote: @Hyperionmp Quote: There is no desktop market anymore, there are only mobile and CE markets. That's where AmigaOS needs to go. OS 4 was never intended to challenge MacOS or Windows directly. Doing so would be abandoning some of the key virtues that make AmigaOS what it is. Time to snap out of these fantasies. AmigaOS 4 is intended as a multimediacentric embedded systems OS which also happens to run very well on embedded systems type hardware: the AmigaOne. That's great for Hyperion if they can get into the embedded systems market, but that leaves the Amiga user, where?

Heck, if money can no longer reasonably be made on the Amiga Desktop platform, why not work the desktop platform into something free ala QNX, BeOS, etc to showcase the embedded possibilities and brush off us demanding pesky desktop whiners once and for all? Think of the anoying people you wouldn't have to listen to any more

(Probably not going to happen, but I can say i tried )

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@Hyperionmp

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Hyperionmp wrote: @T_Bone There is no desktop market anymore, there are only mobile and CE markets.

Please, give me a break

I don't know anyone that have a mobile or CE device that don't have at least 1 or more desktop (read Intel Px) machines. I have 1 hand-held and 4 PC + 1 Amiga.

The PC's are all < 2 years old and Amiga is very old (A4000).

Hand held devices are great for some things, but suck at traditional desktop apps such as word processing, Publishing. Web surfing on hand-helds is a major pain in the butt!

Cutting edge gaming is going to stay in the PC and Console markets.

The Desktop is here to stay. Period.

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@Loki1

//The Desktop is here to stay. Period.

Dosnt change the fact that the embedded market dwarfs the desktop market.

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@SlayeR__

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SlayeR__ wrote: @Loki1 //The Desktop is here to stay. Period. Dosnt change the fact that the embedded market dwarfs the desktop market.

So who cares, you still need the desktop.

A tiny screen with no keyboard or a on-screen version is not my idea as a viable replacement for my desktop power machine.

Even if sales of hand-helds are 100x desktops, means nothing to desktops.

The reason desktops sales have declined is because the market is saturated and the economy is in the dumper.

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