@The_Editor

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The_Editor wrote: @T_Bone Strange ? The Australian Holden 5.0 Litre is a 308.

5.0 makes a better decal than 5.04

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The new Gen III 350 (5.7 Litre) could really do with four Valves per cylinder too. all they've done with the new VRX Monaro (and hence Pontiac GTO) is increase the stroke and now claim its a 6.0 Litre ? There is no replacement.. For Displacement !!

Electric cars are going to suck! It's just not going to be the same

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@T_Bone

If you can prove to me that any x86 CPU is as effective as the CELL architecture at multi-media, we might consider it.

There is no desktop market anymore, there are only mobile and CE markets.

That's where AmigaOS needs to go. OS 4 was never intended to challenge MacOS or Windows directly. Doing so would be abandoning some of the key virtues that make AmigaOS what it is.

Time to snap out of these fantasies. AmigaOS 4 is intended as a multimediacentric embedded systems OS which also happens to run very well on embedded systems type hardware: the AmigaOne.

We never intended to bloat AmigaOS beyond recognition by turning it into Windows XP which requires massive computational resources just to run the operating system itself.

What we need is a decent CPU to run the lightweight AmigaOS with dedicated hardware to deliver astounding multimedia performance.

Guess what? The CELL with its 8 DSP style SPE's and Altivec unit does exactly that.

Even with a single ALU and FPU a 970 core can easily run AmigaOS with all the multimedia exacting tasks (audio-video (de)coding, image manipulation, 3D graphics etc.) being offloaded to the dedicated SPE's.

Now that's the future for the Amiga: a return to its core values of being a multimedia powerhouse.

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@Hyperionmp

This is where you guys are screwing with my head. I hear, "If you can prove...we might consider it"

then if I repeat that, from the same side I hear...

"THERE IS NO LICENSE FOR OS 4 ON ANY OTHER HARDWARE. Is that so insanely hard to understand? When are you folks *ever* going to understand this TINY piece of information?"

Within a few hours, you guys have me flip flopping back and forth on how things are and what you are able to do, I point this out and it happens again.

YOU'RE TRYING TO GASLIGHT ME



@A1200

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A1200 wrote: I demand to see my psychiatrist

I might need one soon.

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@terminator

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I wouldn't consider a Ford engine worthy enough

Them's fightin' words! Meet me outside! (er, near the Free-for-all forum).

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@syrtran

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syrtran wrote: @terminator Quote: I wouldn't consider a Ford engine worthy enough Them's fightin' words! Meet me outside! (er, near the Free-for-all forum).

Better be more specific, we know how you Ford folks have those rounding errors

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@syrtran

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syrtran wrote: @terminator Quote: I wouldn't consider a Ford engine worthy enough Them's fightin' words! Meet me outside! (er, near the Free-for-all forum).

I've intimidated people just by punching the loud pedal. (I'm not kidding! Free flowing intake systems make a lot of noise when you tip the throttle plates just right....) They just decide to get out of the way.

Unlike the ricers who pay large coin for a "muffler". Grapefruit shooter, fartcan, call it what you will. Just like some members of the pc crowd: All show, no go.

@The_Editor

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The_Editor wrote: @T_Bone Strange ? The Australian Holden 5.0 Litre is a 308. The new Gen III 350 (5.7 Litre) could really do with four Valves per cylinder too. all they've done with the new VRX Monaro (and hence Pontiac GTO) is increase the stroke and now claim its a 6.0 Litre ?

It's about marketing. They'll round up or down depending on what they are trying to achieve. The 350 (5.7) was redone as the 5.0, but depending on who sold it, it would be marketed as a 305 or 307. It was also bored and stroked to 400CID. Some engines even had their displacements modified to just under the limit for racing.

Just like CPU speeds, like 933MHz, or whatever. In fact, it may have been slightly faster or slower, but that number sounded nice.

Or hard drives with their #### gigs, just so I can market a drive that sounds almost as big as yours. When multiplying 120 by 1,073,741,824, you get 128,849,018,880. But they'll market a 120G drive which is in fact, >112G. (120 times 1000^3 divided by 1024^3, or 120 times 0.93) You're losing 73 megs for every gig they claim... remember when you would have killed for 73M of hard disk?

@terminator

The annoying thing is the bigger the drive the more you loose over thier marketing claim (I beleive there are classaction suits in the USA over this against HDD manufacturers). I ahve a 250Gb HDD in my Linux box acting as a file server, thing is there's only 232.8Gb to serve! On a 400Gb drive you would only get 327.48Gb

@digitaldisaster

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digitaldisaster wrote: @terminator The annoying thing is the bigger the drive the more you loose over thier marketing claim (I beleive there are classaction suits in the USA over this against HDD manufacturers). I ahve a 250Gb HDD in my Linux box acting as a file server, thing is there's only 232.8Gb to serve! On a 400Gb drive you would only get 327.48Gb

What would the Amiga need a 400GB drive for? You could probably put every program ever written for the Amiga plus still have room for some porn.

@syrtran

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syrtran wrote: @wegster Quote: Bear in mind also that some types of embedded systems are not very far from a desktop computer- STBs may hide underlying OS functionality, but that doesn't mean it's not there, and needed in the development environment. STBs can certainly need 3d drivers among other things...so, where's the problem here? To add to what you said, the Scientific Atlanta Explorer 8000 DVR that was provided to me by Time Warner takes several minutes to cold boot, even before loading the channel guide software. I'd imagine an OS that boots in under a minute (definitely NOT talking Linux here) would be an asset in this market.

My 12 second boot time of the Nforce4 w/ WinXP Pro must be what you're thinking...

@Holley

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Holley wrote: The Ford "302" and "5.0" are different engines, different casting etc. They're both rubbish (name another engine that physically splits in two when you get up over 400 horses), the 351 Windsor is far superior.

I think you are mistaken there. The 351 Windsor is a slightly enlarged 289/302. Timing chain is inside the block. The 351 Cleveland is part of the 335 family. The timing chain is outside the block on the front. The 351 Cleveland is the one you want if you are racing due to the superior head design. Pantera's are one example of a high performance car using the Cleveland block.


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Oh yeah, the 350 Chevy is more like an x86 processor - massively developed from an ancient design!

Exactly. There are some 4.6L custom built dragsters w/ alcohol running 1,000HP. So, Ford's new engine's aren't slouches either. No matter if they dropped the push-rods.

@BrianK

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What would the Amiga need a 400GB drive for? You could probably put every program ever written for the Amiga plus still have room for some porn.

Next gen DVR maybe?

His point was still the misleading advertising and 'arbitrary' measurements of the industry being BS.

PS- Hmm, get pron MOVIES, then it'll fill up

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@BrianK

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My 12 second boot time of the Nforce4 w/ WinXP Pro must be what you're thinking...

Yech, what would be the point of THAT?

How long does it boot under Linux with sane services running?

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you guys...always talking about 'lets snap back to reality'

lol, how about this for reality...the embedded sector isn't wide open for anyone to take...its a tightly crowded market, with large corporations with million plus r&d budgets, years head starts, with working OS's and more patents than you can shake a stick at...

you cannot compete with Windows and Macs head on...thats one reality. The other reality is you cannot compete in the embedded space either.

That is why...I don't blame anyone for saying...lets look at aros or morphos (I won't be so brash as to tell you what to do with OS 4)...but these projecst the ones that like linux are brash enough not to understand market realities...because they are playing on their own playing field...and doing so successfully...those are the interesting things to many an amiga hobbyist... not what os runs on the next symbian warehouse scanner...

@RobertDupuy

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the ones that like linux are brash enough not to understand market realities.

Linux and market realities? Hmm, let's see. A very large company I used to work at was 100% Sun hardware, and is now 100% Linux for servers.

I've ordered several hundreds of thousands of dollaris in servers for several years- care to guess how many of them were ordered with Windows Server variants? Almost none.

I think Linux does just fine in 'market realities.'

I don't however, think AOS is going to do the same, as it's in a different market, at least for servers.

MOS is a desktop OS, and has a port to some embedded device...great. I don't exactly put that in a better spot than OS4 though. Likewise with AROS. I wish them all well, but not sure of your point here with reference to MOS, AROS and Linux?

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@digitaldisaster

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digitaldisaster wrote: @terminator The annoying thing is the bigger the drive the more you loose over thier marketing claim (I beleive there are classaction suits in the USA over this against HDD manufacturers). I ahve a 250Gb HDD in my Linux box acting as a file server, thing is there's only 232.8Gb to serve! On a 400Gb drive you would only get 327.48Gb

But since they all do it, there is not a lot you can do about it. And they all know that they will lose sales of their 112G product unless they label it 120, because people will think it's smaller. When in fact, it's larger than the "120 biilion byte" drive.

Then there are other interesting things... I stuffed an 80G Maxtor into a Firewire case, and it was reporting back as 35G. Seems I put the master/slave jumper in the wrong position, something called AS, or alternate size. This is only mentioned in the tech specs. Basically the drive becomes half size. For machines that can't handle a drive over a certain size.

@RobertDupuy

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RobertDupuy wrote: you guys...always talking about 'lets snap back to reality' lol, how about this for reality...the embedded sector isn't wide open for anyone to take...its a tightly crowded market, with large corporations with million plus r&d budgets, years head starts, with working OS's and more patents than you can shake a stick at... you cannot compete with Windows and Macs head on...thats one reality. The other reality is you cannot compete in the embedded space either. That is why...I don't blame anyone for saying...lets look at aros or morphos (I won't be so brash as to tell you what to do with OS 4)...but these projecst the ones that like linux are brash enough not to understand market realities...because they are playing on their own playing field...and doing so successfully...those are the interesting things to many an amiga hobbyist... not what os runs on the next symbian warehouse scanner...

That's what I meant in that post where I said when someone mentions STB's and the embedded market it's like hearing Dueling Banjo's when walking throught the woods.

The embedded market is like the friggin bermuda triangle, it keeps eating promising desktop OS'es ALIVE, and usually doesn't even bother to spit the bones back out.

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@ ALL

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/06/09/news_6127219.html

Forget the Cell CPUs. The only way consumers will get access to those is through the PS3.

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@Lou

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Lou wrote: @ ALL http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/06/09/news_6127219.html

Good stuff!

Interesting quote:
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IPCW: So Linux can be run on the Cell. KK: Linux is legacy, but it will be a start. In the case of the Cell, operation systems are applications. The kernel will be running on the Cell, and multiple OSes will be running on top of that as applications. Of course the PS3 can run Linux. If Linux can run, so can Lindows. Other PC Operating Systems can run too, such as Windows and Tiger (Max OS X 10.4), if the publishers want to do so. Maybe a new OS might come out.

Interesting in that he:
1. Claims 'Linux is legacy.' I don't agree, but he of course _would_ want to give that impression if:
'Maybe a new OS might come out.'
They've got to have something more planned.

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