@smithy

If someone slaps an "AmigaOne" branding on the PC will that make it more palatable?

Don't know, really.

I love Amiga OS, AIAB and AmigaSys v2 shows what a OS3 setup can do..

But if I could get OS4 on my current Wintel hardware I'd buy it.. If I had to buy another mobo with a CPU it will depend greatly on the price/performance..

A nice Athlon FX dual core.. Tho, a P4 dual core with Hyperthreading doesn't sound to bad either..

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@jahc

Mac and PPC is not the issue.
I think Alan is spot on about the future of Amiga in 20 Answers with Alan Redhouse of Eyetech.

I got two things out of it.
1. Without massive hardware sales in new markets Eyetech wont be able to support a desktop Amiga because there is not a large enough market to support itself.
2. Without Eyetech where does that leave us for desktop computers?

It is no small thing to support a computer platform.

I hope people understand that Alan was not joking when he stated it would have been cheaper to give all Amigaone owners $500 and not continued this project in 2001.
If we figure there is at least 1000 Amigaones out there. Multiply by $500. That is is lot of money folks. This whole thing has been a longshot and it still is.

We are fortunate that Eyetech and Hyperion are still with us. But there is only so much they can do. At this point a realy good sales pitch and a bit of luck is needed.

Just because Apple goes x86 PPC is dead? C'mon people get a grip. So Apple pulls out so Amiga PPC is dead. Apple stays in and sucks up all the supply so Amiga PPC is also dead. C'mon man, get a grip.

By the way Apple's OS will ONLY run on Apple x86 hardware.

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Thanks, interesting. I thought MOL also emulated the CPU. But this makes it seem MOL only runs on PPC hardware ? I thought MOL could run on a X86 Linux ?

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Coder wrote: Just because Apple goes x86 PPC is dead? C'mon people get a grip. So Apple pulls out so Amiga PPC is dead. Apple stays in and sucks up all the supply so Amiga PPC is also dead. C'mon man, get a grip.

Without Apple, PPC chips will be lower volume, higher cost. Availability is/was never an issue anyway.

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By the way Apple's OS will ONLY run on Apple x86 hardware.

Yes. But that's not the point. The point is that the hardware will increase in price (remember: XBox 360 etc, are NOT using regular PPC chips). A low initial cost is needed to attract people to the platform.

@smithy

There is always tomorrow. Things will work out. They always do.

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Seer wrote: @digitaldisaster Thanks, interesting. I thought MOL also emulated the CPU. But this makes it seem MOL only runs on PPC hardware ? I thought MOL could run on a X86 Linux ?

No, you are thinking of PearPC. That is an x86 PPC-JIT for Linux and Windows.

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@nicholas
You're bordering on the edge of trolling at this point, as well as going off topic.

@thread
Reign it in, this thread will NOT become about EyeTech vs bPlan/Genesi, AOS vs MOS, or anything remotely similar. Start a new thread if you'd like to continue on 'the usual' but keep the above out of it, please.

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digitaldisaster wrote: @nicholas Quote: But Eyetech won't be buying any CPU's unless they get a BIG order for them. Which isn't likely to happen anytime soon if we are all honest. but that has nothing to do with a Genesi/Freescale realtionship or Apple leaving the PPC market does it?

Yes, Genesi are in a better position to buy more G4's at a cheaper price than Eyetech.

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@Coder

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There is always tomorrow. Things will work out. They always do.

Singing: Always look on the bright side of life

More seriously, we had to wait some 10 years for the AmigaOS to be PPC-native, now it's a reality, so better make the best of it.

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Coder wrote: @smithy There is always tomorrow. Things will work out. They always do. Coder

They haven't worked out very well so far Complacency and dogma is the route to destruction. Take this route and we'll all be using PCs anyway (except they'll have something Microsoft or Linus on them).

We must be brave people!

Let's move forward!

Let's be positive!

Let's be bold!

(and let there be a community left for Paihia when it arrives )

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wegster wrote: @nicholas You're bordering on the edge of trolling at this point, as well as going off topic. Reign it in, this thread will NOT become about EyeTech vs bPlan/Genesi, AOS vs MOS, or anything remotely similar.

I thought it was about Apple abandoning PPC, and speculating on the possible repercussions for Amiga/Eyetech/Hyperion.

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@smithy

I would advise you to read up on CELL's roadmap before making all kinds of claims about custom this and that.

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@nicholas

Alan was talking about EYETECH developing new MODELS, not new AmigaOne's. (Note: every word in this sentence is important.)

You honestly believe we are going to spend nearly 4 years developing an OS only to refuse to sell the hardware once it is ready?

And no, Freescale didn't produce all those PowerPC chips for Apple. First of all, Freescale only sells chips for the iBook and PowerBook ranges, not the desktop Apples. Thar'"s

Secondly, the embedded systems market is by much, much larger for Freescale than Apple ever was.

Why do you figure Motorola/Freescale really doesn't care all that much about losing Apple's business? Because it pales in comparison with their output in the embedded systems market.

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Heh, people complained about not having custom chips in their new Amigas. PowerPC just became a whole lot more custom

Apple just signed their own death warrant.

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Hyperionmp wrote: @nicholas Alan was talking about EYETECH developing new MODELS, not new AmigaOne's. (Note: every word in this sentence is important.) You honestly believe we are going to spend nearly 4 years developing an OS only to refuse to sell the hardware once it is ready? And no, Freescale didn't produce all those PowerPC chips for Apple. First of all, Freescale only sells chips for the iBook and PowerBook ranges, not the desktop Apples. Thar'"s Secondly, the embedded systems market is by much, much larger for Freescale than Apple ever was. Why do you figure Motorola/Freescale really doesn't care all that much about losing Apple's business? Because it pales in comparison with their output in the embedded systems market.

But as I said, all these embedded boards etc are purely exercises in academic thought as we have been repeatedly told you do not have permission to release OS4 for anything other than an Eyetech AmigaOne, and Alan said there will be no new hardware branded as AmigaOne, just the same one's already available.

Or have we been lied to again?

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Hyperionmp wrote: @smithy I would advise you to read up on CELL's roadmap before making all kinds of claims about custom this and that.

I have not seen this roadmap, but I know that Sony is investing heavilyin it, and not just for the Playstation 3. What is particularly relevant to our cause? Might Sony end up producing Cell-based computers? Could a cell-based computer be a future AmigaOne?

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I thought it was about Apple abandoning PPC, and speculating on the possible repercussions for Amiga/Eyetech/Hyperion.

Yes, but not the pissing contest it seems leaning towards over 'bplan can get chips, EyeTech can't etc etc.' I'm pretty sure you know exactly what you're typing, as well as the intention. Any questions, PM me.

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Apple just signed their own death warrant.

Thats exactly what i felt too.

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@smithy

"Could a cell-based computer be a future AmigaOne?"

Bingo! All in good time ofcourse, not running before we can walk.

CELL will be pushed heavily into many CE type devices by Sony and Toshiba.

It is by design fairly self-contained and therefore easy to build a system around.

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