@wegster

thoses two thread about "audio induced bugs" on AOS have grown huge...
i have some special concerns about this, i would like a lot to hear any improvments on this problematic situation...
i would love to hear that thoses kind of problems were solved on os4 ...


i don't own os4 / aone yet, so i can't say for os4, but when i was on my a4k ppc, what drove me crazy was to see:
- listening to some music
- while downloading some big files
- and browsing happily (optional.. even without browsing crashs happened)
would get me to the crash quickly..

just letting the miggy downloading some big files all night long , i was almost 100% sure that on the morning the miggy would have froze and all the download stopped :(

but i realized that, specially when listening some music while downloading stuffs,
crash would appear more quickly.

but just downloading was enough too.. on os3.1, 3.5 and 3.9 just letting the miggy at some big download tasks for the night and waking up in the morning, powering the monitor on, and: ooh, it's not a surprise.. the miggy crashed ...

(using any player the same result: songplayer, amigaamp, amplifier ,etc.)
(and for download miami/amitcp with ftp/irc/etc.. anyway same results )

@amipal

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Time to get a new sound card then... Oh well, the Soundblaster isn't that great anyway!

This IS getting dull

I bought a mobo with built-in sound.
That was supposed to be fixed later on, so had to get a soundcard, recommended card back then was a SB Live!.
Later on it turned out that the built-in sound was never going to work.
And now it turns out that Soundblaster are not working ok either...

It is getting a rather long list, I thought the USB/IDE fiasco would be the last on the list.
Apparently not...
Now, what is possibly left that needs to be replaced ?

CPU?
IRDA-header?
The built-in 3COM-ethernet ?

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@ Thread..

Of no help to anyone ... BUT


I DID say YONKS ago when it was first announced the Amigaone was gonna use via chipsets that....

Via Sux dead dogz dix !!

Am I right or am I right ?

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@tomazkid

Its is getting stupid now, but like its said in the rest of the thread that the SBLive seems to be at fault, the worst thing being this was the recommended card.

I have an SBLive here and cant reproduce wot everyone is getting here,
Ive tried download 6-8 iso's so all my bandwidth is saturated.
Playing mp3s from both hard drive and usb, and still cant get the machine to lock,
Anyway I cant remember the last time my machine did lock. (Im rock solid stable! )

The main things I have different to everyone else is that im connected to my network with a wireless card and I have a 12cm fan blowing over the cpu and ArticaS area.
Wether these things help I do not know.

So why is it that onboard sound doesnt work then?
Didnt I read somewhere that it works within Linux?
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@Curty

Onboard sound doesn't work with Linux. I remember reading that lots of effort had been put in making it work but it's been said that it never will, not in Linux, nor in AOS.

There seems to be a neverending story about the problems with the A1 XE

@hotrod

Perhaps a fix will be found and we can all have a thousand fixes in our XE's?

By the way how are you managing without your A1, I know i couldnt?

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@wegster
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- Several members (Wardy, Steff) have replaced their SB boards with Terratec/Envy24HT cards and no longer have the same problem, on the same machine.
Envy24HT Supported cards:
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OS4 native AHI driver for Terratec Aureon Sky, Phase28 and
M-Audio Revolution 7.1. The Aureon Space and Revolution 5.1
should also work but are untested.
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Apparently this isn't good enough either. I spent the almost $100 to just replace the SBLive I had with an M-Audio Revolution 7.1 that in the tests I've had time to run so far have locked up the machine in less than 1 1/2 hours. Very discouraging. Is there better sound playing software to try than AmigaAmp?

@RC

I'm sorry to hear that. There is no 'better' player than AmigaAmp, since it's not player related.

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@wegster

Is this something like that time the old lady called the police about seeing the neighbour naked all the time...
When the police arived to check it out, she said:

When I put a stool out on the balcony, stand on it on one leg, and use my walkingstick to help me hang over the edge and around the corner, and grab the telephone lines atached to the neighbours wall, and look around the neighbours windowcorner I can just see him in the shower....

Cheers,

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@RC

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Apparently this isn't good enough either. I spent the almost $100 to just replace the SBLive I had with an M-Audio Revolution 7.1 that in the tests I've had time to run so far have locked up the machine in less than 1 1/2 hours. Very discouraging. Is there better sound playing software to try than AmigaAmp?

Unlikely, as it doesn't appear to be a software issue here AFAIK. DaveAE is the one to chime in once he's got some more info available. I was able to reproduce it regularly within 30 minutes generally, reproducibly, with the SBLive in my system. I've been unable to reproduce the problem with the TerraTech Phase28 after 24+ hours of playing mp3s and downloading ISOs non-stop.

I'll do a summary of what works for who, and what cards still seem to have issues.

If anyone else has, or does NOT have, this problem, regardless of your card, please post your results, but after attempting the test as described in the first post.

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Metalheart wrote: @wegster Is this something like that time the old lady called the police about seeing the neighbour naked all the time... When the police arived to check it out, she said: When I put a stool out on the balcony, stand on it on one leg, and use my walkingstick to help me hang over the edge and around the corner, and grab the telephone lines atached to the neighbours wall, and look around the neighbours windowcorner I can just see him in the shower....

No. For those with the problem, it will happen 'naturally' on it's own over time. Think about it- you're actually doing work on your A1, and listening to music. You go to pull down a web page and without warning, machine locks up. That's a very real scenario, so far very reproducible with SB Live cards.

The test procedure simply speeds up the time it takes to fail, but if you have this problem, it will fail on it's own during normal use; you just may not know what caused it.

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@wegster

I see, (I have not read the whole thread...) I'll try to reproduce it as wel !

Cheers,

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Downloading massive files now, while listening to Jefferson Airplane

Could take all night Yeah !

Martin

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Damn !

It crashed in about 50 minutes !!

Could be a coincidence, so trying again.....

edit: hmmm, half an hour....

Martin

(atleast it boots fast )

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@Curty

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Perhaps a fix will be found and we can all have a thousand fixes in our XE's?

Don't know what you think is so funny here.

We have an experimental board that hasn't had the operating system it was supposed to be used for testing until at least a year after it was produced. Many of these "bugs" that have shown up are "known" bugs from the PC world (so it has no exclusivity to the amiga) that had there own workarounds (fixes) at the time they had the problems.

Most of the these problems revolve around the Via southbridge which Via has been less than generous in making public all of it's drawbacks as well as not sharing any info pertaining to the "fixes" for any eventual "bugs"!

The PC world is often just as full with "fixes" and "bugs" that you just aren't aware of.

This would be the same in the Amiga world (you wouldn't notice any fixes or bugs) if you were buying a finished consumer product (OS4 hasn't had it's official release yet). OK lots of people would say that this is a consumer ready product or have been promised that it is. I won't try to contest any statements along those lines at this point except to say that anyone buying an AOne and OS4 at this point in time would have to be very naiv if he didn't expect some problems along the way (some that could certainly be unresolvable considering that no more of these boards will be produced at all in the future).

As it is everyone involved is doing what they can to solve these problems as they turn up in as economic a fashion as is possible.

@RC

I'm really sorry if this wasn't a solution for you. I think you should go back through the thread and see what your problem most resembles since it doesn't seem to be related to the SB/networking one (at least not primarily). It could very well be a heat problem (have you bettered your cooling at all?)

What is your setup like and what tests do you run?

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@Metalheart

You see why it took some time before anyone could realise there was any problem at all!

Crashes were quite usual with the first prereleases (and still the OS was so nice that most left their regular pc's to use the Amiga again) so you usually would just restart and try again.

When some people noticed that it came with certain regularity (Fuzion comes to mind here) and nothing seemed to help others tried to reproduce the problem and they could, despite the fact that they claimed they had a stable system at this time (my own name fits prety well here) and after a time it becomes common knowledge that there is a bug.

With more professional help (wegster and DaveAE are good names) the problem was more or less pinpointed (here we are still just poor cousins from the country and are not privy to any of this top secret information so we have to guess or dig for it ourselves) even if the solutions are not fully resolved.

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@Steff

Your right, but Im happy with my A1-xe, im happy with os4 and think its worth every penny ive paid for it even if its bugged.

P.S. Sorry if I touched a nerve. I didnt mean to

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@Curty

Not a Quote:

P.S. Sorry if I touched a nerve. I didnt mean to

Not a problem. Just thought I'd explain what little I know to those who might even know less.

I'm just a user, just like you!

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I need to have a tester who can reproduce the crash always within a couple of minutes. Please email me at info@audio-evolution.com

edit: got a few now, let's wait for their results.

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Ok, transferred 5.6 GB in 20 minutes and it's still alive. I'm going to wait for the results of 2 testers, but it looked good here. Anyway, it's no proof yet until someone runs it for half a day or so. Let's hope!

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