@Tomas

$400 ~ £226.71 GBP at the time I wrote this.
(converted with http://www.xe.com/ucc)

So looks like they are gonna do well. Especially if the OS4 license is included in that. Hopefully they'll announce that.

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@MaskofDestiny

For 400$ yes it seems a good price including OS4. If not OS4 at least Linux or BSD !!! If they are cheap enough it is a good opportunity for everybody, by the way I have an S3 virge sitting beside me. Waiting for the Amy05

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I think it's pretty clear that they do NOT have a license, or they'd be shouting it from the tops of the trees! Being only the 2nd company to ever get a license *would* be earth-shattering news, and a good way to shut-up the blue trolls.

Why should we be worried about whether they have a license or not? Pretty obviously because all companies that tried to get one (after Eyetech) have failed. By now we should all know the politics involved in getting a license (Eyetech).

Frankly, if there is no license announced by Xmas/January, and no new boards from Eyetech by then either, I going to stop waiting on OS4.0 (whether it's been released or not by then), and look for an alternative OS that I can actually buy hardware for.

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Atheist wrote: ...and output them in mass quantities for all to be jubilant over how fantastic it is to buy expensive PPC chips and therefore hardware that are perpetually 1+GHz behind intel and AMD's offerings and always late to production to boot...

Don't mistake clock speed for how fast the CPU performs - the PowerPC CPU has always been faster than Intel CPUs at similar clock speeds. AMD CPUs, whilst having model "numbers" that indicate that the CPU performs around the same speed as it's Intel P4 equivalent, run at significantly lower clock speeds than Intel CPUs.

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is really the TSI107 + RTL8110 + dessign cheaper than TSI108A + dessign?

Yes.

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a design cost much than a seen-everywhere chip.

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@FithisUX

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FithisUX wrote: @MaskofDestiny For 400$ yes it seems a good price including OS4. If not OS4 at least Linux or BSD !!! If they are cheap enough it is a good opportunity for everybody, by the way I have an S3 virge sitting beside me. Waiting for the Amy05

But it's not $400. It's closer to $720, when you convert 400 UKPounds to US Dollars.

Plus, there is no mention of OS4 included, so if you can get OS4 for this unit, the price is going to be damn close to that of an A1.

@terminator

Read the very last line of this FAQ... it say's if the volume is high enough it could hit as low as $400 US.

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Q What is the price of the Amy'05 motherboard? The price of Amy'05 is dependent upon country: local taxes, shipping etc. We released a highly cautious, conservative estimate of less than £400 in the UK . Amy'05 will be priced for high volume production and availability. We can manufacture Amy'05 in Asia, the US , or Mexico, and ship worldwide from the US or Canada. Depending on volume, hypothetically Amy'05 could retail at an estimated price of $400 US which of course would greatly reduce the price in other currencies (such as Euro or Sterling ).

@thread

$400 USD is a pretty kick ass price though. Thats $555 NZD... very affordable. I think I paid about $1400 NZD for my A1XE-G3 mobo. If they make a model with a faster CPU available, I'd almost want to switch. I'm aware of the various disadvantages, but for my needs it wouldnt matter.

@ChrisH

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ChrisH wrote: I think it's pretty clear that they do NOT have a license, or they'd be shouting it from the tops of the trees! Being only the 2nd company to ever get a license *would* be earth-shattering news, and a good way to shut-up the blue trolls. Why should we be worried about whether they have a license or not? Pretty obviously because all companies that tried to get one (after Eyetech) have failed. By now we should all know the politics involved in getting a license (Eyetech). Frankly, if there is no license announced by Xmas/January, and no new boards from Eyetech by then either, I going to stop waiting on OS4.0 (whether it's been released or not by then), and look for an alternative OS that I can actually buy hardware for.

It's possible Hyperion are in the process of enacting their safety net in the contract, maybe the license from Amiga Inc won't be necessary? Has anyone even heard from them in a while? Maybe they're still trying to find someone to sign the thing?

Something's got to be cooking, I doubt Hyperion would just sit by and watch a company publically pretend it can legally run OS4 if that wasn't the case.

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@T_Bone

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Maybe they're still trying to find someone to sign the thing?

@nine

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the PowerPC CPU has always been faster than Intel CPUs at similar clock speeds

But Intel doesn’t sell clock for clock basis i.e. they sell on price. "Always" would be false since Intel has the Pentium M i.e. Intel’s 'would be' cloned Athlon processor.

Also, “always” would be false if the said PPC was a dual issue, having a small L2 cache and lacking any basic SIMD support. The sustain computation performance is also dependant on FSB, latency and memory speed.

@Atheist
To be fair, PPC970-FX is about 100Mhz less than A64 FX57's 2.8Ghz.

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@Thread

Let's not jump to conclusions or make wild assumptions about the pricing. When they announced it would be lower than 400 UKP some people jumped to the conclusion that it would be exactly 400 UKP and then worked from there. Now that they've said it could be as low as $400 and some people are already jumping to the conclusion that it will be $400 and are working from there.

There are many factors that could influence the final price to the consumer:

1.) Whether OS4 is or is not included in that price.
2.) Whether that price includes or does not include VAT or other applicable taxes.
3.) How much volume they can actually produce, and this again depends on how many people want to buy the board, which of course depends on the price (nice circular reasoning).

This all affects the final price that the consumer would pay for the board, I'd say that the only assumption we can make at the moment, is that the price is likely to be somewhere between $400 and $700 dollars.

Don't forget that according to Troika those 400 UKP also included UK VAT (which was 17,5% last I knew) so the 400 UKP is really 340 UKP without the tax (which is about $600) plus whatever applicable taxes/VAT you have to pay in your country, in some cases it's more than 400 UKP, in some cases far less. Until we see a final price, don't assume that the price will be this and that, and then you won't be disappointed when the price appears.

Of course you could also just be a pessimist and assume the worst, and then you might be really happy when the price appears

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Hammer wrote: Also, “always” would be false if the said PPC was a dual issue, having a small L2 cache and lacking any basic SIMD support. The sustain computation performance is also dependant on FSB, latency and memory speed.

I may be showing a small amount of ignorance here, but I was under the impression AltiVec was PowerPC SIMD?

I think the final price is going to be whatever it takes to
stay in business and grow the product AND the OS. I guess we will
have to just wait and see, or as usual


That's not important right now. What is important is that they
make plans to get one of the boards to me for exhaustive tinkering.



USB only I like it.

@sibbi

If it's sold for $400 outside of Europe there'll be add-ons to this.

eg OS4, Amiga tax errr license*, import tax, retailers margin, VAT.

So a final price around £400 probably isn't unreasonable.



* Where's the "line through" tag when you need it?

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Why would they make a board for the Amiga market and not have OS4 run on it? I don't think so. Anyway I don't understand why people still talk about license and all that stuff since OS4 is going to run on it anyway. But hey if people like to worry who am I to stop them from doing that.

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OS4 is going to run on it anyway.

If it's going happend without licence from Amiga INC, then we see some double standards OR good news, since the licence for other boards (Pegasos II, Efika, ATH) wouldn't be needed, too.

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