@Samurai_Crow

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Samurai_Crow wrote: @Moxee Quote: How in the devil did this baboon get re-elected? I knew he wouldn't and made bets that he would lose. No one I know admits to voting for him. What is going on here? I voted for him and if it weren't for the term limit I'd vote for him again. (Although mostly for his domestic policy and not Iraq.)

You really believe that children, the eldery, and military veterans have been living off of the federal government for far to long and deserve their cuts and that the military just doesn't have enough support so we should increase that spending?

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RoqueFort wrote: "What animal is Bush most like?"

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@BrianK

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BrianK wrote: @T_Bone Quote: T_Bone wrote: heh, I voted for him, there was nobody else to vote for. You're right assuming the voters like -- increased government funding for Fundamentalist Conservative Churches, continuing the unworkable trickle down economics, a stagnet economy where jobs created per month are just under # of college graduates per month, the largest US debt ever, the largest US debt to GDP ratio in 50 years, illegal wiretapping, reductions of government environmental protections, reduction of negotiating power and respect in the world for the USA, increased job outsourcing, attempts at undermining the UN, reduction in monies for 1st responders who'd take care of fellow citizens after another terrorist attack, the USA pro-war starting for the first time ever, the reduction and ignoring of science, and support cronyism.

Don't forget the Democrats were basically the "Me too!" vote in that election, Kerry had no solutions either.

I would have preferred a true Conservative.

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Don't forget the Democrats were basically the "Me too!" vote in that election, Kerry had no solutions either. I would have preferred a true Conservative.

Kerry was 'Me too' concerning Iraq and Homeland security. On Cultural and Domestic issues these 2 were far apart. Yeah a true Conservative would be nice to see. Instead we have a Refund and Borrow it from China NeoCon.

@Samurai_Crow

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Samurai_Crow wrote: @Moxee Quote: How in the devil did this baboon get re-elected? I knew he wouldn't and made bets that he would lose. No one I know admits to voting for him. What is going on here? I voted for him and if it weren't for the term limit I'd vote for him again. (Although mostly for his domestic policy and not Iraq.)

I'm not a big fan of many things he's done. The guy spends money like water, and with little return. Him and his circle have hijacked the Republican party and driven it in a direction further from the Conservative base than where the Democrats currently are.

If the Conservatives can't manage to take back the Republican party after Bush leaves, I'm leaving. Screw em.

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When on the campaign trail Bush said that the only reasons that he'd increase deficit spending is if there was a war or a recession. Over his first term there was a recession and over his second term, a war. He has a rather odd way of keeping his word but I still support him. He leveled an awkward imbalance in the Supreme Court with his two appointments and it wasn't easy getting them through.

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BrianK wrote: @Samurai_Crow You really believe that children, the eldery, and military veterans have been living off of the federal government for far to long and deserve their cuts and that the military just doesn't have enough support so we should increase that spending?

Actually I think that there are a lot of things screwed up with the Social Security system. For one thing it was designed as a pyramid scheme that would only work if there were more people working and putting money in than taking it out. That situation has been neutralized as long as abortion has been legal. There isn't rapid population growth in America except for immigrants which Bush has encouraged to come in.

And before you whine about people on public assistance needing it badly, I'll be the first to admit that I'm on Social Security for my paranoid schizophrenia and I don't need it badly. I draw Pell grants and DRS grants for my college tuition and related expenses. I'm a freeloader riding on the backs of the taxpaying public.

But as soon as I graduate you'd better believe I'm going to be paying in to Social Security through my work as a computer science major and I'm going to get off of SSI. My employer will eventually pay for my health insurance to cover my expensive perscriptions and I'm going to work like a madman (becuase, in truth, I am a madman ) and do my best to pay it back. Do you know what that will get me? RSDI benefits. More Social Security I am not likely to need.

If there are poor in America that need it, I'll be the first to donate to my church's elder fund to feed the needs of the poor and elderly in our congregation and community. I know that will at least get to the ones who need it most. Government spending is only throwing money at the problem but it's the attitudes of the ones that gamble it all away and freeload WITHOUT trying to get off of the public assistance that need real help. Unfortunately the bed I used to occupy in the psychiatric ward of the hospital is occupied by some other disabled person so we'll have to look elsewhere.

When hurricane Katrina hit there wasn't much the government could do to stop it. The FEMA was overwhelmed and do you know who came through for the people of New Orleans the most? The Christian church, that's who. The government may try to meet the needs of the people but it's the people of God that actually meet the needs. Not becuase of who we are but because of who we serve. We'll all stand accountable for our actions before God. Thankfully those who asked in time were forgiven and I think Bush is among the forgiven. There are plenty of others who won't be just becuase they didn't ask.

As for the war in Iraq, I'm just glad it happend sooner rather than later becuase, demographically, in an abortion-free contraceptive-free middle east zone means that they would eventually outnumber the Americans and Germans and British and everybody else that went to battle to bring down Saddam Hussein.

Demographically Germany, France, and England are in population decline. Japan is also. Who's going to run the world when we're all gone? Probably an Iranian Ayatollah, a Chinese dictator, and a rebuilt Russian war machine. And don't believe all of those political posturing speeches that Bush gives calling Islam a religion of peace. Just look at the Koran and you'll see that they kill anyone that converts from Islam to another religion. Is it any wonder that the border zones of the Islamic bloc have civil wars all of the time? Christians are REQUIRED to offer the path of forgiveness to anyone who will hear but how can we do that when we've been silenced in the public square? If it's war they want then it's war they'll get. That's all I have to say about it.

@Samurai_Crow

Have /you/ actually *read* the Koran? I mean, PERSONALLY, yourself. I know I haven't, it's just that MOST people I've heard say "the Koran says this" and "the Koran says that" hadn't ever opened it.

Most of the time, politics are what drives religious people to do anything, not religion itself. Religion unites a certain group of people, it's up to politicians to twist it to get them to do what they want. This has happened with the Islamic religion and it has been happening with the Christian religion ever since the Roman Catholic Church was formed. Don't tell that it's stopped, Christian fanatics are as dangerous as fanatic Moslems.

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@Samurai_Crow

SS is an issue but Bush's plan quickens it's death doesn't resolve it. Other issues are seen in retirement systems such as Northwest Airlines recently did by dumping 65,000,000 of retirement benefits onto the US taxpayers. Bankrupcies are a serious problem to the economy but corporate bankruptcies or actions such as Northwest are more costly then personal bankruptcies. Yet, Bush & friends worried about those who aren't in their pockets the empoverished personal family bankrupcies.

As for abortion your idea of eliminating it sounds good but 700K families / year would need to adopt that child and that doesn't exist in our country. We want the kids raised by caring families so they become productive citizens and are less likely to become prisioners.

You're from MN -- I'm sure you realize that MN burns a lot of coal and due to this we now have EVERY waterway polluted with Mercury. Most every body of water is limited to 1 fish/per month for any child or pregnant woman. Bush has stated he wants more coal, cuts spending for the environment, and requests that the amount of mercury limits be increased. Again I don't see how this is helping anyone by providing us cheap electricity yet killing us with heavy metals.

Jesus commented that nations will have to account for their actions on caring for the poor (See Matthew 25:32-46). In Minnesota we have 15,000 lakes and a cost of $10 for a fishing license. Someone who's poor could easily feed themselves by eating fish from our lakes if those fish weren't polluted with heavy metals. So by runing the water further Bush's requested policy changes actually harm the poor.

Now I know you feel Bush will get into heaven. I'd seriously question if Bush will. Jesus stated that taking care of others is very important and Bush is failing badly at this. Of course that answer will be only known to God and Bush as the end of his time.

@Samurai_Crow

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If there are poor in America that need it, I'll be the first to donate to my church's elder fund to feed the needs of the poor and elderly in our congregation and community. I know that will at least get to the ones who need it most. Government spending is only throwing money at the problem but it's the attitudes of the ones that gamble it all away and freeload WITHOUT trying to get off of the public assistance that need real help.

So you assume that someone who would freeload off the US government wouldn't freeload off of a church? Sorry a freeloader is a freeloader it matters not the system. Some systems are better then others but all systems have freeloaders. But seriously in the grand scheme of things I worry more about the bigger costs to my tax dollar. More of the tax dollars are spent on the military or corporate welfare then actual welfare -- which is the system of freeloaders you're worried about. For example the freeloader company - Haliburton, you know the one that lost $8.8 billion and gets no competitve bid contracts, as a whole are far more costly to us then you and your fellow individual freeloaders on the welfare system.

@Samurai_Crow

Billsey, is that you ?

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Just look at the Koran and you'll see that they kill anyone that converts from Islam to another religion

What's about the crusades ?
Wasn't the Vatican, one of the richest country in the world when you had so many poors around who didn't have anything to put on the table ?
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As said, Fanatics are dangerous regardless of their believes/faith/religions... Just look on AW, MorphZone, ANN, moobunny...

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An air assault (ground attack) this time of year must mean its spring cleaning . . .



Seriously, people keep forgeting what got us here! Oil for Food is a good place to start. Also there is the "I (Sadamwho'sinsane) have UN security councel members in my pocket (baught and paid for)". So you can take it and shove it. And it got shoved . . .

There would be no war if the UN did it's job and enforced its resolutions. But the UN couldn't manage a box of girl scout cookies without screwing it up. And certain UN councel member countries still have a permanent veto status . . ? ? . . until this changes the UN will remain "Useless" REQUIRING OTHERS to pick up the slack.

I would prefer no war but others, including those not involed directly in the conflict had a different point of view.

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There would be no war if the UN did it's job and enforced its resolutions.

Of course to be fair there was nothing in the resolutions which permitted any country to pull inspectors out 2 months before they finished their jobs and start bombing.

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Jerryuk007 wrote: @Samurai_Crow Billsey, is that you ? Jerry

No. I'm not Billsey. Billsey prays a lot more than I do.

@BrianK

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BrianK wrote: @Samurai_Crow Quote: If there are poor in America that need it, I'll be the first to donate to my church's elder fund to feed the needs of the poor and elderly in our congregation and community. I know that will at least get to the ones who need it most. Government spending is only throwing money at the problem but it's the attitudes of the ones that gamble it all away and freeload WITHOUT trying to get off of the public assistance that need real help. So you assume that someone who would freeload off the US government wouldn't freeload off of a church? Sorry a freeloader is a freeloader it matters not the system. Some systems are better then others but all systems have freeloaders. But seriously in the grand scheme of things I worry more about the bigger costs to my tax dollar. More of the tax dollars are spent on the military or corporate welfare then actual welfare -- which is the system of freeloaders you're worried about. For example the freeloader company - Haliburton, you know the one that lost $8.8 billion and gets no competitve bid contracts, as a whole are far more costly to us then you and your fellow individual freeloaders on the welfare system.

In a war sometimes corners get cut, I'll admit that. But at least the government gets something out of its contracts sooner or later. What would clear up the corporate welfare system is that the tax system needs to be reformed. It's too complicated to be officiated fairly and equitably. To do so would take more man-hours than the government has. Bush suggested to congress that they should reform the tax system and they didn't do it. End of story.

As for freeloading off the church. There's some people that will rip off anybody for any reason and I've met some that are like that. In short, however, it is easier to slip through the cracks of a bureaucratic institution than it is to slip past people who really care. That's what makes the difference.

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BrianK wrote: @Samurai_Crow You're from MN -- I'm sure you realize that MN burns a lot of coal and due to this we now have EVERY waterway polluted with Mercury. Most every body of water is limited to 1 fish/per month for any child or pregnant woman. Bush has stated he wants more coal, cuts spending for the environment, and requests that the amount of mercury limits be increased. Again I don't see how this is helping anyone by providing us cheap electricity yet killing us with heavy metals.

This is to reduce our dependancy on foreign fuel sources.

In St. Peter, MN they were going to install a diesel generator in case the supply of power from Mankato got cut off. Diesel fuel comes from the Middle East and we're already fighting a war over it. (Except for 3% of BioDiesel which comes from soybeans and lard.)

Mankato's power comes from natural gas power plants. Natural gas is a byproduct of petroleum or coal gasification. We already import 80% of Canada's natural gas production and the reserves are already starting to diminish. Granted, we're not fighting a war with Canada at this time but they might need that natural gas someday. The government has already approved a coal gasification plant up north to fill in the gaps for the diminishing natural gas reserves.

Cheap electricity is coming because we've all been so wasteful in the past and present with our natural gas supplies. Now the supply is running out and we HAVE to go with coal just to maintain our current usage.

@Jerryuk007

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Jerryuk007 wrote: @Samurai_Crow Quote: Just look at the Koran and you'll see that they kill anyone that converts from Islam to another religion What's about the crusades ? Wasn't the Vatican, one of the richest country in the world when you had so many poors around who didn't have anything to put on the table ? ... As said, Fanatics are dangerous regardless of their believes/faith/religions... Just look on AW, MorphZone, ANN, moobunny... Jerry

The Vatican was not so rich before the crusades but you've got a point. The so-called Christians who were busy killing each other off for land rights shouldn't have taken it out on their Muslim brothers. The reason they SHOULD have done it is because of the fact that the Ottoman Turks conquered Constatinople and the Berbers (sp?) invaded southern part of Spain.

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AMiGR wrote: @Samurai_Crow Have /you/ actually *read* the Koran? I mean, PERSONALLY, yourself. I know I haven't, it's just that MOST people I've heard say "the Koran says this" and "the Koran says that" hadn't ever opened it. Most of the time, politics are what drives religious people to do anything, not religion itself. Religion unites a certain group of people, it's up to politicians to twist it to get them to do what they want. This has happened with the Islamic religion and it has been happening with the Christian religion ever since the Roman Catholic Church was formed. Don't tell that it's stopped, Christian fanatics are as dangerous as fanatic Moslems.

I can't read Arabic so you're right in saying that I haven't personally read the Koran. I have to take the word for it of someone I know who CAN read Arabic (and the fact that it was reported on the NBC News broadcast) that it goes against the teachings of the Koran to let someone who converts from Islam to another religion live in peace. BTW in Saudi Arabia they don't just kill the man that converts, but they butcher his family in front of him and THEN kill him. These are our allies?

The problem with the Catholic church is that they hold that tradition is held on the same level footing as scripture. This allows them to incorporate concepts like Jihad (crusades) from other religions just because it was a commonly held tradition in that part of the world. Another thing that doesn't help matters is that they cannonized the books of the Apocripha (sp?) into the Catholic Bible so they aren't even reading just the same scriptures as everyone else to top things off.