@falemagn

Maybe, just maybe, we have already tried?

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If that's not the case, then what is it?

I'm sorry, but if you couldn't read between the lines up to now, then you must be blind.

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@Rogue & umilator

Guys, you're getting just a tad personal with eachother. Take it over private e-mail/messaging or something. It's especially important for professionals to act like ones, atleast in public.

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Rogue wrote: @falemagn Maybe, just maybe, we have already tried?

Hell, that's new to me, and I suspect to anyone else who's not intimate to you.

So, you're saying that you tried to contact Amiga Inc and they didn't answer, or that you tried to get a license for the Pegasos, and they denied? Please be clear.

In the former case, is there still any form of contact between Hyperion and Amiga Inc? In the latter case, on which grounds?

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Rogue wrote: @falemagn Quote: If that's not the case, then what is it? I'm sorry, but if you couldn't read between the lines up to now, then you must be blind.

I just love this way of yours of dealing with people. :)

Let's say I'm blind: please help me understand what I couldn't read? Transparency is all that counts in business, and you're anything but transparent, with such statements.

Just state how things are, once and for all. If there are still doubts floating around and people asking questions it's because of you not making the situation clear.

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@falemagn

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In the former case, is there still any form of contact between Hyperion and Amiga Inc? In the latter case, on which grounds?

Not to answer on Hyperion's behalf, but everyone with atleast some kind of insight into business practices knows to not speak of such things in public. Don't expect to get the kind of answer you'd like to that question.

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@Rogue and others
I am sorry if I am being really dense here, but all the comments in this thread and other (simaler threads) suggest I should know exactly whats going on and I am a complete idiot for not knowing. I would like to understand what is going on with Hyprerion, Eyetech, Amiga and any other hardware companies but it is very difficult to follow all these small cryptic one liners in each thread.

Any chance someone of authority on these issues could please spare the time give a short summary including as many facts as possible?

(Or just ignore me )

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I'm sorry, but if you couldn't read between the lines up to now, then you must be blind.

Minor problem:

Sometimes you're saying "don't read too much into my statements, I never said that", now you are saying that we should read between the lines.

Sorry, maybe you can provide me with an Enigma to decipher the secret code.

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@falemagn

Sometimes, subtle hints is all the information you CAN give. Maybe, just maybe, he is not saying certain things out loud in public because doing so would put him in a very difficult situation. If you can't get anything of what he's trying to say at all, atleast accept that there are things that we don't know about the matter and that we should therefore refrain from making any conclusions.

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So basicaly Amiga Inc is waiting for Hyperion to give up ? What about licence for embedded stuff ? If it's needed then maybe it's goodbye forever in a cabinet or there will be more different AmigaOne models by "Eyetech" ?

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samface wrote: @falemagn Quote: In the former case, is there still any form of contact between Hyperion and Amiga Inc? In the latter case, on which grounds? Not to answer on Hyperion's behalf, but everyone with atleast some kind of insight into business practices knows to not speak of such things in public. Don't expect to get the kind of answer you'd like to that question.

And yet, I'm supposed to "read between the lines"? That just doesn't make sense.

And, Sammy, I find quite hilarious that you side the party which is obviously at fault for not telling the complete truth about how things are and keeping their (potential) customers in a state of uncertainty.

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It has been said many times already that we want to place OS 4 into the embedded market, and matter of fact is that we already have a potential customer for that.

Will the embedded market be your main target platform then? If true, is there still room for supporting future developments for OS4.x on the desktop?
OS4.x does surely require that Hyperion is still contracted for doing that job, or, as another possiblity, the bancruptcy of Amiga Inc.

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Rogue wrote: THE DECISION TO PORT TO PEGASOS OR NOT IS NOT HYPERION'S.

He never said that it was....

There's plenty of annoyed people posting in this thread over one small mistake in the facts: Thom has made the assumption that Hyperion and Amiga Inc (as a unit) are in control of the project AND they (as a unit) want it to succeed.

Not an unreasonable assumption at all. The fact that people here are complaining because he assumed Hyperion and Amiga Inc (as a unit) want to the project to succeed is patently absurd.

It's the situation that's ridiculous, not the article.

Anyway, given the "talking to a brick wall" comment is just the latest of many many other such comments it's easy to see that one part of the unit is completely dysfunctional. They don't want to play and they've taken their ball home, patented the game of football so no one else can play, deflated the ball, burned it and buried the remains in a deep dark trench in a secret place. And they've hidden themselves in a cave so no one can contact them.

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And, Sammy, I find quite hilarious that you side the party which is obviously at fault for not telling the complete truth about how things are and keeping their (potential) customers in a state of uncertainty.

I don't side with anyone just because I point out that you don't speak of all details of your business relations.

However, you might call it taking a side when I say that I don't think Hyperion are deliberately keeping their customers in a state of uncertainty. What I believe is that they are giving us alot more information than they should, even if it's much less than they would want to give us. It's not a situation that anyone of us would whish for, but it is the reality we're living in now and whining about it is not helping.

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falemagn: "How about you getting that license? And if not, why not?"

EntilZha: "Ever tried talking to a wall?"

I didn't know that we were at this point! sad, very very sad

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I wrote a row for you in the "OS4 on the PS3, is it possible?". There are no comment from you. Can you answer, please?

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@EntilZha

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Quote: How about you getting that license? And if not, why not? Ever tried talking to a wall ?

It is hard to believe you sign the contract with AmigaInc. that has no solution for this case.
It was quite obvious that one or more legs of that tripod can fail...
Ben looked like lawyer who knows what he is doing and he never forgot to say that

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Sometimes you're saying "don't read too much into my statements, I never said that", now you are saying that we should read between the lines.

Please give these guys the benefit of doubt! We have been pushing and pushing for information and lately we have been getting odd snips here and there. Someas a matter of fact and some implied.

People are obiously not ready for press releases or frank, blow by blow, accounts.

If you read through all the recent 'moaning' threads you will know as much as anu of us!

Yes it's hard work - but it's better than being completely in the dark.

@all

I won't go into details, But let's just say that there are certain parties whom have a desire for hyperion to fail.

A lot of skullduggery has gone on behind the scene. I can understand why there is no contact from Alan Redhouse nor much comments from anyone else.

Just be grateful that we have OS4 at all. There will be new hardware some time this year. Of this I am 100% sure.

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There will be new hardware some time this year. Of this I am 100% sure.

New hardware will be useless without proper licensing and without somebody doing a port or at least paying for it.

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