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jahc 
Re: New PowerPC Platform for OS4
Posted on 10-Sep-2006 8:29:37
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@rickardr

Quote:
Hello all!

I would like to inform you all that our negotiations with Amiga Inc failed. It took about a month before they even answered our AmigaOS 4.0 license inquiry and when they did they were not interested.

They said it was too risky to work with a startup company - even though we have secured business angel investments. The investments cover both an initial production run and a highly skilled full-time programmer. We exchanged a few e-mails, trying to explain our situation and that our finances are as much in order as they can be for a startup company. They were not intested and the only explanation we got was that it was --too risky for them to work with small startups--.

We have decided that AmigaOS 4.0 is not worth all this trouble and we will use a customized Linux distribution for our PowerPC platform instead. Our current Linux system fits on a 32 MB solid-state IDE flashdrive and we will try to keep it that way.

Thank you very much for your interest in our platform, your support and all great names.

Yeah right. I'm not that stupid.

Edited: insult

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Rogue 
Re: New PowerPC Platform for OS4
Posted on 10-Sep-2006 8:48:26
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@ironfist

Quote:

ironfist wrote:
:'(
Another evidence á la AHT about Amiga Inc's fscked up licensing scheme.

For everyone's sake I really hope Troika, Adam and the Italians have been
granted a license since Troika -- to say the least -- is a startup company.

I wish Rickard R all the best in his venture. Startups and small companies
are the motor of any country. Multi-billion corporations don't do that much
for a country, really. They just wait for the right time to outsource everything.

Small companies tend to stay put.


Considering that this whole story started with a hoax ("We're halfway through booting OS 4" while shoing a crashed firmware updater and never having contact with Hyperion at all) I think it is pretty safe to say that it ended with a hoax, too.

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Re: New PowerPC Platform for OS4
Posted on 10-Sep-2006 8:52:52
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@rickardr who said Quote:
I would like to inform you all that our negotiations with Amiga Inc failed. It took about a month before they even answered our AmigaOS 4.0 license inquiry and when they did they were not interested.

LOL. So many people (inc Hyperion!) were wise to your obvious hoax (the PPC processor was not even compatible with OS4), that you now decide to try to make a face-saving exit. Seems like this hoax was intended to do as much damage to OS4 as possible. I wonder who would want to do that?

Sigh. I didn't bother reading most of this thread (why bother?) but I hope that those who believed them have learnt a lesson :-/

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mr.calibra 
Re: New PowerPC Platform for OS4
Posted on 10-Sep-2006 9:04:51
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@ChrisH

LOL..

Rouge told the tread that OS4 worked on PPC405 so you are telling the truth

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DaveAE 
Re: New PowerPC Platform for OS4
Posted on 10-Sep-2006 9:34:13
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@rickardr

Yeah, bye bye now! We won't miss you!

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itix 
Re: New PowerPC Platform for OS4
Posted on 10-Sep-2006 9:44:10
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@Rogue

Quote:

Considering that this whole story started with a hoax ("We're halfway through booting OS 4" while shoing a crashed firmware updater and never having contact with Hyperion at all) I think it is pretty safe to say that it ended with a hoax, too.


Is Troika NG hoax? I'm asking because it might be better idea wait for Troika board because Samantha and PV boards lack Kryptos sound system.

Last edited by itix on 10-Sep-2006 at 09:48 AM.

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ironfist 
Re: New PowerPC Platform for OS4
Posted on 10-Sep-2006 9:45:29
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ChrisH:
Jepp, Listen to mr.calibra you should. AmigaOS 4.0 has been ported
to the 405 CPU.

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dan.hutch 
Re: New PowerPC Platform for OS4
Posted on 10-Sep-2006 9:52:02
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@itix

Quote:
Is Troika NG hoax?


I think this is very likely, I'm just waiting for the news that the pulling out of the Big Bash or can't show a prototype (wouldn't be the first time).

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hatschi 
Re: New PowerPC Platform for OS4
Posted on 10-Sep-2006 10:31:38
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@dan.hutch

Quote:

dan.hutch wrote:
@itix
Quote:
Is Troika NG hoax?

I think this is very likely, I'm just waiting for the news that the pulling out of the Big Bash or can't show a prototype (wouldn't be the first time).


Troika have already stated that they still won't be able to present a working prototype.

Personally, I can't get too excited about having a non-working mainboard/prototype at the show. I mean, if somebody blows up his Mac G3/G4 and brings it to the show would be basically the same:
A non-working PPC mainboard with no confirmed OS4 license which doesn't even boot Linux.

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FithisUX 
Re: New PowerPC Platform for OS4
Posted on 10-Sep-2006 10:44:16
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@jahc

That is not bad, to have Linux on it. Even NetBSD is ok!!!

Quote:

Yeah right. I'm not that stupid.

(removed edited quote/tomazkid)


You'd better behave yourself.

You should support AROS which is in the Amiga spirit and OSS. If you go with closed source->it is your mistake.

AInc and Hyperion are companies, they work for themselves, not for you. How much time do you need to understand it? They are the reason for the unavailability of Amiga platforms. BBRV told it repeatedly.

If you go their way you would never see a working Java or .Net developer environment. Calm down, think reasonably.

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mr.calibra 
Re: New PowerPC Platform for OS4
Posted on 10-Sep-2006 10:50:00
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@ironfist




yes! don't get exited over non working prototypes. Richard R did show a working mainboard anyway..

edited: removed a sentence

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ironfist 
Re: New PowerPC Platform for OS4
Posted on 10-Sep-2006 12:04:54
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Lots of hostility here! How can anyone say for sure Rickard R is
a hoax? Do you know him? I know I don't. People slam us blue when
we don't believe Troika and Adam..

Then a third developer with probably his best intentions show up
and he gets slammed right from the start by said people.

Rickard R showed us a picture of a working motherboard. He even
told you all where the design came from, yet you kept slamming
him. Neither Troika nor Adam has ever showed any working proto-
types nor pictures. Adam promised to show a prototype and cancelled
in the last minute, twice. Very funny for people travelling for hours just
to see absolutely nothing. And yet you cheer him and Troika like they
were Gods.

Edited: no namecalling please.

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jorkany 
Re: New PowerPC Platform for OS4
Posted on 10-Sep-2006 12:33:30
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@Rogue
Quote:
Considering that this whole story started with a hoax

WOW! Just for a second I thought you were talking about Troika, but then I read the quoted portion.

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syrtran 
Re: New PowerPC Platform for OS4
Posted on 10-Sep-2006 13:02:04
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@mr.calibra

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Rouge told the tread that OS4 worked on PPC405 so you are telling the truth

And, as Rogue also told the thread in post 163, OS4 for PPC405 is locked in a sub-dungeon somewhere in Belgium and has only been seen by a small cabal of wizards.

-er, I mean, it's never been released, so nobody but Hyperion (and its contractors) has a chance to get a working OS4 on PPC405. As Rogue also stated several times in this thread, Hyperion was not contacted by rickardr, so no OS4 for this device.

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syrtran 
Re: New PowerPC Platform for OS4
Posted on 10-Sep-2006 13:28:03
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@ironfist

Quote:
Lots of hostility here! How can anyone say for sure Rickard R is
a hoax? Do you know him? I know I don't. People slam us blue when
we don't believe Troika and Adam..

The difference is that Rogue and Entilzha vouched for Troika and Adam.

Quote:
Then a third developer with probably his best intentions show up
and he gets slammed right from the start by said people.

You really can't say "probably his best intentions" as you stated above "I know I don't (know him)". You don't have enough information to determine what his intentions are.

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Rickard R showed us a picture of a working motherboard. He even
told you all where the design came from, yet you kept slamming
him.

I can show you lots of pictures of working motherboards that will not run OS4. Try a Google search on "Asus" or "Via" (or "minimig").

BTW - define "working". The picture shows a "crashed" motherboard.

Quote:
Neither Troika nor Adam has ever showed any working proto-
types nor pictures. Adam promised to show a prototype and cancelled
in the last minute, twice. Very funny for people travelling for hours just
to see absolutely nothing. And yet you cheer him and Troika like they
were Gods.

Again, Troika and ACK are vouched for by people who would actually have a clue about where OS4 is possibly going to run. These same people have stated they've never heard of rickardr.

Quote:
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ditto. Why do you vehemently defend someone you don't know, whose project was announced in his first post -ever- at AW.net, who hasn't shown anything but a uboot crash, and who has never contacted the people who control OS4 (unlike ACK and Troika)? You shouldn't take the criticism of rickardr so personally.

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ronaldst 
Re: New PowerPC Platform for OS4
Posted on 10-Sep-2006 14:21:03
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@hatschi

Quote:
Troika have already stated that they still won't be able to present a working prototype.


LOL

The rollercoaster never ends!

FFS seriously, why are they even bothering to show up?

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saimo 
Re: New PowerPC Platform for OS4
Posted on 10-Sep-2006 14:25:03
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@syrtran

Quote:

Why do you vehemently defend someone you don't know, whose project was announced in his first post -ever- at AW.net, who hasn't shown anything but a uboot crash, and who has never contacted the people who control OS4 (unlike ACK and Troika)?

My suspicion is that it's because that gives him a chance to shoot at HW designers more credible than rickardr(*) (from ironfist's last post) ->

Quote:

Neither Troika nor Adam has ever showed any working proto-
types nor pictures. Adam promised to show a prototype and cancelled
in the last minute, twice. Very funny for people travelling for hours just
to see absolutely nothing.


and offend the people around here that think differently from him ->

Quote:

And yet you cheer him and Troika like they were Gods.

Removed edited quote /tomazkid


It saddens me to see this behaviour in each and every thread... but - I have do admit - at least it fits perfectly in this one

saimo

edit: (*)OK, before I'm attacked and another run of the circle is started, let me explain - as done by others already - why Troika and ACK are more credible: simply because they, unlike rickardr, have never been openly and firmly declared "not credible" by the people working at AOS4 (see the relevant posts in this thread).

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Last edited by saimo on 10-Sep-2006 at 02:31 PM.
Last edited by saimo on 10-Sep-2006 at 02:30 PM.

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Rogue 
Re: New PowerPC Platform for OS4
Posted on 10-Sep-2006 16:09:46
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@itix

Quote:
Is Troika NG hoax?


Huh? No they aren't.

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Rogue 
Re: New PowerPC Platform for OS4
Posted on 10-Sep-2006 16:20:36
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@ironfist

Quote:
Lots of hostility here! How can anyone say for sure Rickard R is a hoax? Do you know him?


No, I don't know him which is part of why I believe it is a hoax. Why? Because if anybody was porting AmigaOS 4.0, I would damn sure know about that.

Quote:
Rickard R showed us a picture of a working motherboard. He even
told you all where the design came from, yet you kept slamming
him.


All you could see on the picture was a crashed AmigaOne firmware updater, nothing else.

Let me recap, there are two possibilities:

- Rickard R did indeed work on getting AmigaOS 4.0 to boot on his prototype, which means he was circumventing Hyperion and everybody else involved in the project and trying to hack it.

- Rickard R was just pulling everybody's leg

Both alternatives do not look very promising to me. Take your pick. Personally I think option 2 is MUCH more likely since I cannot see any reason why a hardware manufacturer interested in getting OS 4 on his platform would not contact Hyperion before the actual hardware is built.

Add to this the fact that he never ever replied to me when I asked him DIRECTLY about this.

So yeah, sorry, I am 100% sure this is a hoax.

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Rogue 
Re: New PowerPC Platform for OS4
Posted on 10-Sep-2006 16:22:45
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@mr.calibra

Quote:
Rouge told the tread that OS4 worked on PPC405 so you are telling the truth


Yes, it was, but

- the port was never published
- the port was for a device that does NOT use U-Boot
- the port assumed a certain hardware platform and was hardcoded for that platform

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