@klesterjr

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klesterjr wrote: @pixie After the way he was treated on the MOS mailing list when he asked for help, I can't imagine the developer of the game construction kit being involved with this little project.

It might be difficult for some people here to comprehend, but if you are a developer and you are constantly nagged all the time 'port this' or 'write that driver' etc.. and have your emails misquoted, wouldn't you get upset? Ask the Hyperion guys about getting nagged.. I'm sure they read enough 'Why isn't OS4 finished?' threads here.

Do you think developers want to develop for hardware that may or may not be produced? Work for FREE? And get nagged during the process by arogant fans?

Let that hardware be completed and sample boards produced, then come back to the table and discuss how to go about development properly.

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@gary_c

OMG! OMG! Its a concept case!

ps: Anyone here think that the colour of the remote should actually *match* the colour of the case?

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@wegster

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Nice offer for free Efikas, but again, the Efika has any relationship to the above listed OSes how?

Maybe it's not a mater of Efika having relationship with all the above OSs (yet) rather that it makes a perfect sense to use one for a rather 'specialized' version of it... what bring together all OSs I would assume to be the kit itself.

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Oh, and....not in the right category. This one's off to Amiga general chat, has nothing to do with OS4.

I didn't knew what category I should put it...

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klesterjr wrote: After the way he was treated on the MOS mailing list when he asked for help, I can't imagine the developer of the game construction kit being involved with this little project.

Hello everybody,
Well I'm the developer of the Arcade Game Construction Kit.
Some of you know me already.

The Kit is in development and actually makes good progress.
And a number of new exciting games are in development too.
Some screenshots are already on my homepage I'll add some more soon.
Already some very talented GFX artists have joined the effort and are supporting
me with images. Two of them have nearly complete game graphics already.

The truth is that the Kit was started for the Efika with the idea to run on MOS and Linux.
But the Kit and the games will basicly run on every Operating sytem.
So they will run on OS3, OS4, AROS, BeOS, OSX, LlNUX, WINDOWS, even on Playstation ...

I'm a long time Amiga user (A1000) and I'm still a fan.
I was wondering for some time about the chances of our beloved OS and
if it can ever have some success again. I believe that the best chance
for any Amiga type OS for even some small success is with cheap hardware similar to the Efika.

Personally I think the EFIKA can make a nice small commodity.
Only us fanboys will buy an Aone with AOS4 or a Peg running MOS.
But a Digital Video Recorder based on something like EFIKA is something many people might buy.
And it would be nice to have some games to play on the mini Amiga.
I think by "smuggling" our OS into the bedroom we might have a small chance of success.
I think this is the only way that we can ever ship some Amiga type (AOS4,MOS,AROS,whetever) computers in numbers to the world again.

So this is my thinking here.
And this is why I like the EFIKA.

The Game Construction Kit is just the best thing that I could think of,
that I could contribute to the future of our dreams.

I'm happy and thankfull that Genesi has offered to support
this little project with free machines for developers.
I'm hoping that a few more talented GFX-artist will join this project.
Currently we are working on 6 new games. Two of them are quite progressed already.
I'm hoping for a few more hands to help. With six more people we might be able to bring out a douzend new shoot em ups by the end of the year. That would be something

I think it would be great to have AOS4 running on the EFIKA.
If the EFIKA will get OS4 support I don't know,
but all the games will come with OS4 support anyway.


Its true that I had an argument with some (not all) of the MOS-developers.
The point of the argument was my personal view on the behavior and support of some.
This was related to porting some commercial game titles e.g. RobinHood.
This has nothing to do with the Arcade Game Construction Kit and that discussion does not belong here.
Arcade Game Construction Kit runs on MOS and no help is needed for that on MOS.

So yes I can approve that the KIT and games will come out for every OS that the EFIKA will run.
AFAIK MOS and Linux run already on the EFIKA.
I wish to see AOS4 and AROS on the EFIKA because I think it will be great for the future of AOS4/AROS and for the future of us Amiga fans in general.


Cheers
Gunnar

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Oh my... Some people really need to understand that anyone could probably sign up as a reseller of some cheap standard components motherboard and then lean back and wait for Hyperion to make AmigaOS4 run on it.

Newsflash: Making AmigaOS4 run on your hardware requires collaboration with Hyperion/Amiga Inc. Simply expecting it to happen by itself because you think that it would be in their own interest obviously isn't going to work.

BBRV knows this very well, yet all they do is "blogging" and posting about it in online forums instead of doing any form of serious attempt to actually make it happen. Well, they did suggest in a certain post of the AW.net forums that they are about to take legal action against Amiga Inc. to somehow overcome the obsticle with the licensing scheme. Not that I can see how that could possibly work out considering their previous attempts of this ( see http://www.mindrelease.net/amiga-thendic/ ), but even if they would succeed, how do they expect to be able to cooperate with Hyperion to do the actual porting of the OS to their hardware? I mean, I find it hard to believe that Hyperion would be very thrilled with the idea of working for Genesi. With or without Amiga Inc.'s control of the Amiga IP, Hyperion's work would still be Hyperion's work, controlled by Hyperion.

For these reasons, I'm absolutely certain that this is no more than another of BBRV's infamous marketing stunts that only leads to no good. Move along people, there is nothing to see here...

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instead of doing any form of serious attempt to actually make it happen

Hi samface... do you still believe in what you write? Serious attempt targeted at Amiga Inc, is serious at all? Someone without a business plan towards Amiga OS, you must be jokin' aye?
BTW Samface... do you know that Hyperion isn't exactly 'unthrilled' to work out with Genesi?

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For these reasons, I'm absolutely certain that this is no more than another of BBRV's infamous marketing stunts that only leads to no good. Move along people, there is nothing to see here...

We'll see you around then, probably in other topics that makes more sense to you to analyze... it's not like I would miss the sound of a scratched record... nonetheless, taking by your own wording I find it funny that someone who does so much 'stunts' can actually deliver something, it's just that we aren't quite used by your predilect stunt man...

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@samface

Read this.

No Peg-Pong for you Sammy!

R&B

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@T_Bone

The computer of friend of mine send its ( vga|composite|?) signal wirelessly to the other TV screens he have around the house... having it built into a device such as EFIKA would surely rock!

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@samface

THIS (read the description) might make you feel better.

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(removed offensive image - No need to get personal.) L8-X

Genesi USA Inc and Amiga Inc har companies registered in the USA.
None of our business laws apply to them. The judge will probably
judge in favour of Genesi USA Inc (Read BBRV's reply).

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@ironfist

We have a saying here in Uk....

Don't Count your Chickens before they're hatched.

BBRV are smart enough to know that !!



You see.... Assumption is the mother of all *uckups ( to borrow a phrase from Cecilia I believe ?)

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@pixie

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pixie wrote: EFIKA DEVELOPMENT SYSTEM edit by wegster- stop re-posting the same image already, it's been seen.

Try to sell such an Efika with Minimac camouflage and the people will laugh at it as a pathetic clone of it.

Efika must have its own design to demonstrate it has its own personality.

AND EFIKA *HAS* VERY STRONG PERSONALITY AND ITS OWN HARDWARE SOLUTIONS!

By the way: If Efika will be sold with a Mac-style case and even I will start to advertise public not to buy it.

I don't want to be a fan supporter of a dead thingie, and Efika with MAC stlylish IS DEAD.

Keep Efika away from any attempt to be similar to a MAC and it will have enough success.

Any attempt to sell machines camoufled as macintoshes is less than loZers attempt.


In the world of today if you want to emerge you must have your own clear look design, and demonstrate your own personality. SO THAT'S NEEDING THE EFIKA!

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@Raffaele

Put a slot loading dvd burner in the front... or side and it will be gorgeous.

Amy05 would look awesome in that case too.

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@Raffaele
Don't get so influenciated by Mac propaganda... most have a lousy design PC case just because they are cheaper... I couldn't care less if it looks as a mac mini (which in itself is nothing sort of spectacular, it's just half a cube), it's not the look the main strenght of EFIKA, altough that due to it's size it can have much more appeal then most pc cases...

BTW, if you look at Mac mini, you'll see that what prevails isn't exactly being different, but rather being a very much know figure... ironic isn't it?

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@Raffaele

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Raffaele wrote: Try to sell such an Efika with Minimac camouflage and the people will laugh at it as a pathetic clone of it. Efika must have its own design to demonstrate it has its own personality.

That's where I fully agree. Macs have nice designs, but they are occupied by Apple already.
Copycat is simple, but not sustainable!

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The_Editor wrote: @Raffaele Put a slot loading dvd burner in the front... or side and it will be gorgeous. Amy05 would look awesome in that case too.

So the people will start it calling TINY-TIN-MAC.

IT SUXXX!

To be cool the Efika needs a black case or a wooden case (as in expensive Hi-Fi centers) or it should be all glass-like plexiglass.

We must demonstrate we are not MAC "simul-emulator-clonators".

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@Raffaele

Joe PC world is gonna call it that anyway !!

As for the clear case... Apple have already done that too.

And are you saying you DON'T want a dvd burner in the next gen hardware ?

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@pixie

nice case but the EFIKA Board is IMHO totally underpowered for the Desktop... i don't need an board which has the power of an 400 MHz 603e PPC... i WANT an higher specced AMIGA with an G4 CPU as minimum and some good ATi Graphics for software in the future... like Real3D and other programms coming to OS4!

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@Raffaele

It must be Amiga-specific that people get so excited by these case-designs, even if the hardware itself didn't materialize yet (Re: Amy'05).

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