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polka. wrote: @Raffaele It must be Amiga-specific that people get so excited by these case-designs, even if the hardware itself didn't materialize yet (Re: Amy'05).

Well, the Efika exists...

It is the modding of efika as a new Amiga that it is yet not created.

And if we start the whole new business with the wrong foot by cloning MiniMac design, we are on a dead-end train junction, pal!

That's my 2 cents.

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(...) but even if they would succeed, how do they expect to be able to cooperate with Hyperion to do the actual porting of the OS to their hardware? I mean, I find it hard to believe that Hyperion would be very thrilled with the idea of working for Genesi.

I find it hard to believe that they enjoy their current *cough* "cooperation" with Amiga Inc. either. Remember the "talking against walls" statement? Guess what, Hyperion as a company is mainly interested in selling their OS. Is there any reason to believe that Amiga Inc. is actually helpful to Hyperion in that respect? They rather look like the main obstacle. Why wouldn't Hyperion choose to cooperate with Genesi (provided they "succeed") if that would finally mean some sales of their OS?
At a certain point, you need to question yourself with which company OS4 would have a better future in the long run. There is no "ideal" solution to this. (Oh, yeah, except maybe for Atheists wish for a multi-billion dollar company buying Amiga Inc. for no reason. )
There are absolutely no reasons to glorify Genesi or think they will be the saviour of the Amiga (we all know that this is AmigaBlitter ), but at least they are actively promoting the PPC platform instead of promoting black-jack games for Windows CE PDAs.

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@Raffaele

don't worry to much. Until now nothing happened and who knows if it ever will. If yes, it would (hopefully) be only one of some other existing hardware solutions you can chose.

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Well, the Efika exists...

It does, but you still can't buy it yet.

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It is the modding of efika as a new Amiga that it is yet not created.

"Modding of efika"? What do you exactly mean? That there hasn't been an official confirmation yet that we'll get Morphos with it? Just a message from Team Morphos that they are not planning to support the Efika?

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And if we start the whole new business with the wrong foot by cloning MiniMac design, we are on a dead-end train junction, pal!

You attach far too much importance to the case. "Dead-end" because we clone the MiniMac design? :roll
I would say it is way more important what OS it will actually run and to demonstrate what you can actually do with it (therefore the project-program). If you put it in a black or white case in the end really doesn't matter that much.
I just don't get why Amigans tend to fill pages with long discussions about a case design (Amy'05, Walker, Tsunami, ...) with real hardware not even released yet.

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hahahaha....... bring on the vapor!!

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nice case but the EFIKA Board is IMHO totally underpowered for the Desktop

I think you are right.
Are we going to regress? We need more power today. 400 Mhz and PPC 603 cound not be considered as a starting point. Peg II or Peg III hardware spec may be a a good starting point.

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Is there any reason to believe that Amiga Inc. is actually helpful to Hyperion in that respect? They rather look like the main obstacle. Why wouldn't Hyperion choose to cooperate with Genesi (provided they "succeed") if that would finally mean some sales of their OS?

Without Amiga Inc., Hyperion wouldn't be developing AmigaOS4 in the first place. To view Amiga Inc. as an obsticle for Hyperion is completely backwards, IMO. No matter how restrictive you may think the license agreement is.

Furthermore, it seems that Hyperion prefers that potential AmigaOS4 licensees turn directly to them rather than Amiga Inc. judging by what's been said by certain Hyperion represantatives in these forums as well as the official AmigaOS4 website. Have Genesi even tried this approach? I'm sure Hyperion would be able to work something out with them if Hyperion would want it. If Hyperion's reply would just be refering to some terms in the licence agreement with Amiga Inc., maybe it's because Hyperion are not so interested in cooperating with Genesi after all? Could it be that Genesi blew all their chances of ever cooperating with either Amiga Inc. or Hyperion after that certain lawsuit against Amiga Inc. where among others Hyperion testified against Genesi?

Hyperion and Genesi cooperating? Where do people get these crazy ideas from...?

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samface wrote: @polka. Quote: Is there any reason to believe that Amiga Inc. is actually helpful to Hyperion in that respect? They rather look like the main obstacle. Why wouldn't Hyperion choose to cooperate with Genesi (provided they "succeed") if that would finally mean some sales of their OS? Without Amiga Inc., Hyperion wouldn't be developing AmigaOS4 in the first place. To view Amiga Inc. as an obsticle for Hyperion is completely backwards, IMO. No matter how restrictive you may think the license agreement is.

Does Ainc still care about OS4? I frankly don't think so, it seems as if they want it to just 'go away'. Their focus is AmigaNowhere, they even call it AmigaOS, imagine the confusion if there are 2 AmigaOSes! *Shock!* *Horror!*

The bottomline however is, we need hardware, and we need it badly. Genesi is the only one with hardware that's out there *now*.

I'd rather have someone else provide hardware then BBRV, but beggers can't be choosers.

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Furthermore, it seems that Hyperion prefers that potential AmigaOS4 licensees turn directly to them rather than Amiga Inc. judging by what's been said by certain Hyperion represantatives in these forums as well as the official AmigaOS4 website. Have Genesi even tried this approach? I'm sure Hyperion would be able to work something out with them if Hyperion would want it. If Hyperion's reply would just be refering to some terms in the licence agreement with Amiga Inc., maybe it's because Hyperion are not so interested in cooperating with Genesi after all? Could it be that Genesi blew all their chances of ever cooperating with either Amiga Inc. or Hyperion after that certain lawsuit against Amiga Inc. where among others Hyperion testified against Genesi?

Alot of "suppose this, suppose that" here, nothing factual except the testimonies, and frankly, we don't know wether or not there has been any contact.

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Hyperion and Genesi cooperating? Where do people get these crazy ideas from...?

Said the nut that's using an Amiga in 2006

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Does Ainc still care about OS4?

Obviously enough to keep it from ending up in just about anyone's hands.

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The bottomline however is, we need hardware, and we need it badly. Genesi is the only one with hardware that's out there *now*.

As Hyperion has repeatedly stated, they have a plan and it is NOT to play their own funeral march. Besides, what would give us the right to "save" them from Amiga Inc.? If Hyperion would want Genesi's or anyone else's help, I'm sure they are competent enough to get it themsleves.

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Alot of "suppose this, suppose that" here, nothing factual except the testimonies, and frankly, we don't know wether or not there has been any contact.

No, we don't. Just like we don't know what kind of plan Hyperion has for their quite expensive investment. Your claim that we would be so in desperate need for noone but Genesi's help is exactly that; alot of "suppose this, suppose that" here, nothing factual. We don't know what kind of contacts that has been made with Hyperion *at all*.

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To view Amiga Inc. as an obstacle for Hyperion is completely backwards, IMO

Wrong.

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Obviously enough to keep it from ending up in just about anyone's hands.

But not even enough to update their website to reflect the actual status of OS4 after being told so. ("Now scheduled for commercial release in early 2005").

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Just like we don't know what kind of plan Hyperion has for their quite expensive investment.

I tell you, it's all about conquering the embedded market. The question is just "How?"

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Nice logic. Well, fine. Imagine a world whithout the AmigaOS4 project, now what?

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@samface

Did you knew that with the trial Genesi had won the right to pay for having AmigaDE on their machines? It's not like they wanted to acquire the AmigaDE...

I wouldn't think that now Genesi wants to acquire AmigaOS, rather to be able to actually pay and as such to distribute it...

Genesy are really a naughty boys, and BBRV teh evil themselves---

Most time I feel like you want to spread that Genesi wants to control all Amiga IP, when it doesn't seem to be the case.

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polka. wrote: @samface Quote: Obviously enough to keep it from ending up in just about anyone's hands. But not even enough to update their website to reflect the actual status of OS4 after being told so. ("Now scheduled for commercial release in early 2005").

As their website reads:

"Amiga, Inc. does not distribute or support AmigaOS 4.0. For information on product availability, support, local dealers or resellers, please contact AmigaOne Partners through either Hyperion VOF or Eyetech Ltd."

Amiga Inc.'s webmaster actually did reply at one time to the issue you just raised here, saying that the reason for why it's not been updated is because they haven't recieved any updates from Hyperion. If Hyperion wants them to update their site with new, more accurate information, it's just a matter of notifying them.

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Quote: Just like we don't know what kind of plan Hyperion has for their quite expensive investment. I tell you, it's all about conquering the embedded market. The question is just "How?"

It's obviously not a strategy Hyperion wishes to share with the public just yet.

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pixie wrote: I wouldn't think that now Genesi wants to acquire AmigaOS, rather to be able to actually pay and as such to distribute it...

Well, that's not how I interpreted BBRV's statements from back when they wrongly had assumed that they won the rights to the AmigaOS product line, remember?

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Without Amiga Inc., Hyperion wouldn't be developing AmigaOS4 in the first place. To view Amiga Inc. as an obsticle for Hyperion is completely backwards, IMO. No matter how restrictive you may think the license agreement is.

Do you have any time machine to see how differently it would be? I can play this game too, imagine if Viscorp had bought the Amiga instead of Escom... wouldn't we had AmigaOS 4? It's so easy to avoid the reality to make our POV fit...

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@samface

Check the papers and see actually what BBRV had won in regard to AmigaDE, exchange it for AmigaOS4 and you might have a clue...

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Well, that's not how I interpreted BBRV's statements from back when they wrongly had assumed that they won the rights to the AmigaOS product line, remember?

Could you post that here Sammy?

Thanks.

R&B

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Well, fine. Imagine a world whithout the AmigaOS4 project, now what?

I can't see a link between what I said and the fact that we have now OS4. :-/
Read your PM.

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samface wrote: @polka. Quote: polka. wrote: But not even enough to update their website to reflect the actual status of OS4 after being told so. ("Now scheduled for commercial release in early 2005"). As their website reads: "Amiga, Inc. does not distribute or support AmigaOS 4.0. For information on product availability, support, local dealers or resellers, please contact AmigaOne Partners through either Hyperion VOF or Eyetech Ltd." Amiga Inc.'s webmaster actually did reply at one time to the issue you just raised here, saying that the reason for why it's not been updated is because they haven't recieved any updates from Hyperion. If Hyperion wants them to update their site with new, more accurate information, it's just a matter of notifying them.

Yep, that was a nice kind of way of Ray to put the blame on Hyperion. So in the end it's Hyperions fault that the Amiga Inc. website contains wrong information? Alright.
And even if it's true what Ray said, that they haven't received any updates about Hyperions plans for OS4 (release date, etc.): What does this tell you about the "cooperation" between those "partners"?
The "talking against walls" quote comes to my mind again.

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