@bbrv

All the information you would ever need on the subject is here:

http://www.mindrelease.net/amiga-thendic/show_case_doc_61,16781,2,MAGIC,0,1.pdf

Last edited by samface on 15-May-2006 at 01:48 PM.

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@samface

There is nothing there that supports the statement that you made.

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@bbrv

Please elaborate, it's clear as crystal to me.

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@Raffaele

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Raffaele wrote: @pixie Quote: pixie wrote: EFIKA DEVELOPMENT SYSTEM edit by wegster- stop re-posting the same image already, it's been seen. Try to sell such an Efika with Minimac camouflage and the people will laugh at it as a pathetic clone of it. Efika must have its own design to demonstrate it has its own personality. AND EFIKA *HAS* VERY STRONG PERSONALITY AND ITS OWN HARDWARE SOLUTIONS! By the way: If Efika will be sold with a Mac-style case and even I will start to advertise public not to buy it. I don't want to be a fan supporter of a dead thingie, and Efika with MAC stlylish IS DEAD. Keep Efika away from any attempt to be similar to a MAC and it will have enough success. Any attempt to sell machines camoufled as macintoshes is less than loZers attempt. In the world of today if you want to emerge you must have your own clear look design, and demonstrate your own personality. SO THAT'S NEEDING THE EFIKA!

This is the silliest thing I've heard in a while now.

Currently the Efika is tagged as a dev boar. If you 'boycott' a piece of hardware because you don't like the case....then surely you don't want an A1, Peg, or anything else out there, as it's all generic.

Small boards are generally going to have small cases. I could care less what the case looks like, although in this case (no pun intended), the case is a mockup and not a 'real' Efika packaged.

If you don't want to be 'a supporter of a dead thing,' then one can only ask your interest in things Amiga, compared to the 'dead' yet selling very well mac mini....

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@Raffaele

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Raffaele wrote: @The_Editor Quote: The_Editor wrote: @Raffaele Put a slot loading dvd burner in the front... or side and it will be gorgeous. Amy05 would look awesome in that case too. So the people will start it calling TINY-TIN-MAC. IT SUXXX! To be cool the Efika needs a black case or a wooden case (as in expensive Hi-Fi centers) or it should be all glass-like plexiglass. We must demonstrate we are not MAC "simul-emulator-clonators".

I now see a reason to only sell a board....because evidently some will never be happy, and decide to not buy a computer because of the case. Can't even begin to say how utterly pointless this is.

Will you then only buy an Amy'05 if it comes in pink, too??!

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@samface

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samface wrote: @Amon_Re Quote: Does Ainc still care about OS4? Obviously enough to keep it from ending up in just about anyone's hands.

Well, they seem to be doing a very good job at that...

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As Hyperion has repeatedly stated, they have a plan and it is NOT to play their own funeral march. Besides, what would give us the right to "save" them from Amiga Inc.? If Hyperion would want Genesi's or anyone else's help, I'm sure they are competent enough to get it themsleves.

Hyperion is bound by their contract, so their options are limited within the scope of said contract.

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No, we don't. Just like we don't know what kind of plan Hyperion has for their quite expensive investment. Your claim that we would be so in desperate need for noone but Genesi's help is exactly that; alot of "suppose this, suppose that" here, nothing factual. We don't know what kind of contacts that has been made with Hyperion *at all*.

The facts are simple, at this time, there is *no* hardware for AOS4, wich is bad.
Any solution that can provide good hardware therefor should be atleast looked at, regardless of politics.

Would i sign a contract with BBRV? Yes, after reading it 10 times, and have it looked at by two lawyers, i would

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@AmigaBlitter

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AmigaBlitter wrote: @cHaOs667 Quote: nice case but the EFIKA Board is IMHO totally underpowered for the Desktop I think you are right. Are we going to regress? We need more power today. 400 Mhz and PPC 603 cound not be considered as a starting point. Peg II or Peg III hardware spec may be a a good starting point.

Then I hope you apply the same identical logic to the PowerVixxen standalone.

ANY hardware for a few hundred bucks, 'underpowered' or not, is better than where we are now.

In the case of the Efika, I doubt we will ever see OS4 on it, but if that changed, it will grow the userbase, which is more important right now than any pissing contest of 'oh no, it's not a G4!'.

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@pixie

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pixie wrote: @samface Did you knew that with the trial Genesi had won the right to pay for having AmigaDE on their machines? It's not like they wanted to acquire the AmigaDE... I wouldn't think that now Genesi wants to acquire AmigaOS, rather to be able to actually pay and as such to distribute it... Genesy are really a naughty boys, and BBRV teh evil themselves--- Most time I feel like you want to spread that Genesi wants to control all Amiga IP, when it doesn't seem to be the case.

AFAIK, it was worded to the effect of AmigaDE on the Peg. That didn't say on a specific OS, which would let AInc provide a PPC Linux port, or MOS port, or.... True?

Genesi might stop getting flack if bbrv would stop the inunendos and such they love to put in their blog and in postings. I wouldn't call (paraphrased) 'now we'll go to court again' as a 'disinterest' in Amiga Inc's IP...regardless of my personal feelings towards AInc.

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@wegster

I know your post has @ Raffaele at the top but my comment is included in the quote.


I agree my comment on Amy05 looking kewl in that case is a bit silly coz it would look the same as the Efika !!

What I meant was .. If it came in that case then the manufacturers have sorted all the mounting problems out themselves.

If I were to buy a MoBo, Amy or Efika and then went hunting for a case, i would have the inevitable hassles of getting one to fit "Hunky Dory".

Hope that clears it up.

Pink MoBo ?

hmmm... now there's a selling angle !!

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@wegster

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Genesi might stop getting flack if bbrv would stop the inunendos and such they love to put in their blog and in postings. I wouldn't call (paraphrased) 'now we'll go to court again' as a 'disinterest' in Amiga Inc's IP...regardless of my personal feelings towards AInc.

Better yet, we should stop taking his bait & ignore'm untill he actually has something to say

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@Amon_Re

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Amon_Re wrote: @samface Quote: samface wrote: @Amon_Re [quote][quote]If Hyperion would want Genesi's or anyone else's help, I'm sure they are competent enough to get it themsleves. Hyperion is bound by their contract, so their options are limited within the scope of said contract.

... by which you are saying that they aren't even competent enough to get outside help. I'm sorry but if Hyperion would need/want Genesi's help, I'm quite certain that they are capable of asking for it. There is no reason for anyone of us to assume that they couldn't even ask for help and encourage Genesi to take over Amiga Inc.'s as well as Hyperions IP (granted to Hyperion by Amiga Inc. through the licensing scheme) with legal action.

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The facts are simple, at this time, there is *no* hardware for AOS4, wich is bad. Any solution that can provide good hardware therefor should be atleast looked at, regardless of politics.

No, I disagree. It's definitly not that simple. Ever heard of the expression "out of the ashes, into the fire"?

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Would i sign a contract with BBRV? Yes, after reading it 10 times, and have it looked at by two lawyers, i would

Yeah, and be sure to *at all times* have a fund ready for legal representation. You wouldn't want to let them catch you off guard and unable to legally defend yourself...

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@wegster

I have two A1200. So I will put my EFIKA into A1200 original case and the second A1200 will be still 68020 on 14MHz.

@wegster

I have two A1200. So I will put my EFIKA into A1200 original case and the second A1200 will be still 68020 on 14MHz.

@wegster

I have two A1200. So I will put my EFIKA into A1200 original case and the second A1200 will be still 68020 on 14MHz.

@wegster

I have two A1200. So I will put my EFIKA into A1200 original case and the second A1200 will be still 68020 on 14MHz.

@syner

How many A1200's you have ?

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@The_Editor

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The_Editor wrote: @wegster I know your post has @ Raffaele at the top but my comment is included in the quote. I agree my comment on Amy05 looking kewl in that case is a bit silly coz it would look the same as the Efika !! What I meant was .. If it came in that case then the manufacturers have sorted all the mounting problems out themselves. If I were to buy a MoBo, Amy or Efika and then went hunting for a case, i would have the inevitable hassles of getting one to fit "Hunky Dory". Hope that clears it up. Pink MoBo ? hmmm... now there's a selling angle !!

Aside from the Efika 'case' being a mockup, I've got no problems with the case. Nice enough to buy a small board in a mini style case for me...as well as people that don't feel like building a system.

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@The_Editor

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The_Editor wrote: @syner How many A1200's you have ?

Err, 8, of course?

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@samface

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Quote: Hyperion is bound by their contract, so their options are limited within the scope of said contract. ... by which you are saying that they aren't even competent enough to get outside help. I'm sorry but if Hyperion would need/want Genesi's help, I'm quite certain that they are capable of asking for it. There is no reason for anyone of us to assume that they couldn't even ask for help and encourage Genesi to take over Amiga Inc.'s as well as Hyperions IP (granted to Hyperion by Amiga Inc. through the licensing scheme) with legal action.

Nice job on spinning my words
What i said was factual, they are bound by their contract, a contract none of us has seen (unless it leaked?), and whatever their backup plan is, it will be within the scope of said contract.

There are only two other things they can do, get the contract declared void & null (unlikely) or get Ainc arround the table to renegotiate said contract.

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Quote: The facts are simple, at this time, there is *no* hardware for AOS4, wich is bad. Any solution that can provide good hardware therefor should be atleast looked at, regardless of politics. No, I disagree. It's definitly not that simple. Ever heard of the expression "out of the ashes, into the fire"?

I think you mean, out of the frying pan & into the fire.
What it all comes down to however, is business, not politics, Hyperion writes software for a specific architecture, they need said architecture to be available & on sale.

There are a number of possibilities here:

- Get Eyetech to do another run of A1's
- Go for old Apple hardware
- Go for the Peg-II / Effica
- Wait for Troika
- Wait for ACK

Out of those, i'd only consider Genesi at this point in time.

Offcourse, this is all moot since Ainc has the final call it seems

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Quote: Would i sign a contract with BBRV? Yes, after reading it 10 times, and have it looked at by two lawyers, i would Yeah, and be sure to *at all times* have a fund ready for legal representation. You wouldn't want to let them catch you off guard and unable to legally defend yourself...

Such is life

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@wegster

I have only two A120 of course. Can you delete duplicates, please ?