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Hans 
Re: demo of new OS4 hardware (not A1 or Amy)
Posted on 17-May-2006 19:41:10
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@hatschi

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I just can't stand it when I get the impression that potential customers are taken as naive fools that eat everything you throw at them.


Throw a PV board my way and I promise I won't eat it!
I'll put it in a nice box together with a hard-drive and a few other things.

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Re: demo of new OS4 hardware (not A1 or Amy)
Posted on 17-May-2006 20:02:11
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@Hans
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I'll put it in a nice box together with a hard-drive and a few other things.


Would be interesting to know the measurements of the stand-alone version. Hacking the PV into a C64/C128/SX64-case would be cool.

But given the latest news, I am not sure if the final PCB size is even known yet...

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Posted on 17-May-2006 20:20:19
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@hatschi

Putting it in a C64 case would be neat, or even standalone in an A600/1200 case for that matter. Using Keyrah you could even use your classic keyboard.

However, I'd be more interested in making a laptopish portable machine. How big it will be depends on the PCB size and component height. It'll never be as slim and light as a real laptop/sublaptop, but hey, it's a DIY portable, so that's ok.

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Posted on 17-May-2006 20:32:14
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@Frags

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Frags wrote:
@Hatschi

I`m really dissapointed at this revelation - I really believed it would be any day now
It`s pretty obvious that there won`t be any pv any time soon after all.

Yeah. If they're still at the pure design stage (ie all they have are some autocad files), we're looking at Christmas 2006 at the earliest. If they have prototypes, we may get lucky and be able to buy something before the end of summer. That is, assuming nothing else goes wrong (and reading between the lines, it seems like a lot has gone wrong with this project).

Ah well, I guess we'll just go back to sitting on our hands...

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Posted on 17-May-2006 20:36:17
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@ssolie

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Plans change. Adam is currently thinking of replacing the slot with a Radeon Mobility chip set directly on the board. This was discussed in #amigaworld yesterday with ackcontrls.


Anyone have a transcript?

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Posted on 17-May-2006 21:31:19
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@hatschi

Wow. Think at the Vic-II as a graphics processors. And the SID for the audio.

C64 rulez

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Plans change. Adam is currently thinking of replacing the slot with a Radeon Mobility chip set directly on the board. This was discussed in #amigaworld yesterday with ackcontrls. If you prefer one way or the other you might want to email him with your preference.


Sounds like a very good idea. Better have a gfx-chip which certainly will be there than needing a special addon which might not get out. Think its a good idea to mail and tell preferences and interest? Might do so then...

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Posted on 17-May-2006 22:29:04
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@ssolie

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You may want to re-think your stance on the 'hw-bugs-free' and buy a used A1. The SE is a lemon, stay away from it. The XE has the Ethernet vs VIA IDE problem which is nasty but you can avoid it with an IDE controller or apply a fix to the board. Some XEs also have the USB port debouncing issue which you can avoid by just not hot plugging devices or a hub. The MicroA1 has no known problems that I'm aware of. So yeah, there are some probs. with the A1 boards but only the Ethernet vs VIA IDE prob is a show stopper and it has a workaround.


The A1-C has problems with interrupts from VIA, causing audio disturbance among
other things, as all A1's have.
DaveAE has investigated alot on these issues when making his drivers. This is public
knowledge.

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Re: demo of new OS4 hardware (not A1 or Amy)
Posted on 17-May-2006 23:29:33
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@billt

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Anyone have a transcript?


It is probably spreading like influenza. I'm half way through
editing it to bring related comments together and remove
unnecessary material but I doubt anyone wants to post it
out of courtesy to Ack, unless with his permission, who will
have his chance to say whatever he wants to say very publically
during his demo on the 22nd.

I'm impressed with the guy. He has contributed a lot to getting
the hardware we do have going and clearly is on top of the
hardware side of things. and is open to input that can modify
his designs to advantage. He is also in the midst of related
business decisions. A mistake could wipe him out but fortunately
he is not the prisoner of fears that hold most people from
what they dream of doing. I do not doubt his capacity to deliver
but even the weather forecasters admit that timing is always an
issue. I look forward to May 22 and July 29 and am cheering for
him (and undisclosed colleagues) if that can do any good!
Unlike criticism, I think goodwill helps a lot.

Noel

Oops corrected second date.

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wolfe 
Re: demo of new OS4 hardware (not A1 or Amy)
Posted on 18-May-2006 2:00:19
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@ssolie

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ssolie wrote:
@wolfe
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I would buy the ACK when it came out but the video module is supposed to be released after the main board releases, so I will wait for both then buy.

Plans change. Adam is currently thinking of replacing the slot with a Radeon Mobility chip set directly on the board. This was discussed in #amigaworld yesterday with ackcontrls. If you prefer one way or the other you might want to email him with your preference.

Personally, I'd push for removing the slot myself. My experience with add-on boards for Amiga products has been rather dismal. I've seen far too many h/w guys put slots and connectors on their products with the promise of options to plug into them later only to be disappointed. In other words, I think the lifetime of the PV product will be too short to warrant the slot.


Thanks for the update of info. I would just as soon have the GFX built in, and if possible the mini-PCI for a wireless card or something else already produced, or maybe a mini TV-FM card ! Yep, I'm dreaming but its fun . .

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Posted on 18-May-2006 4:17:51
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@NoelFuller

What's happening on July 29?

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Posted on 18-May-2006 4:52:44
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@NoelFuller

I have to agree with you on those thoughts. I've met Adam from ACK Software Controls and dealt with him regarding my MicroA1 when I encountered a few issues getting it to power up after I purchased it through him about a year and half ago, and all I have to say that he's a very bright and decent guy. If things don't turn out rosy with his plans, I would have a hard time attributing it to anything intentional or sleazy, but rather to something that was out of his control.

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Posted on 18-May-2006 5:59:53
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@CodeSmith

Amiga Revival Show http://www.amirevival.com
Sorry all those fancy format buttons don't work for me.
What the??? They did!
The name says it all! Hardware Target date.
here's hoping!

Noel

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Posted on 18-May-2006 8:25:16
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Like not being able to play sound and sample at the same time..?! *hint, hint..*

Well, if you mean playback while recording, this has always been possible on any OS4 AHI supported soundcard.

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@ssolie

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The XE has the Ethernet vs VIA IDE problem which is nasty but you can avoid it with an IDE controller or apply a fix to the board.

USB+HD (even on sii0680) can cause irq loss and freezes. USB+audio can cause stutter (for some). Eth+audio will cause freezes.
The microA1 has extra logic which makes VIA IDE work with DMA but can cause heavily delayed IRQ's.
So, unless new hw shows the same problem, all A1 flavours are no good for any serious 'multi-media' (gosh I hate that term) use.

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Posted on 18-May-2006 10:25:18
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@NoelFuller

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It is probably spreading like influenza. I'm half way through
editing it to bring related comments together and remove
unnecessary material but I doubt anyone wants to post it
out of courtesy to Ack, unless with his permission, who will
have his chance to say whatever he wants to say very publically
during his demo on the 22nd.


If it is an IRC log, then it was available for public view anyway. What's the big deal? It's not like you are keeping some big top secret press realease, now is it? If Adam said it in a public IRC then it should not be a problem.

@Codesmith

The July 29th date is for AmiRevival, where Adam expects to have PV hardware for demo and for sale from what I've heard.

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NoelFuller 
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Posted on 18-May-2006 20:12:09
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@Herewegoagain

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If it is an IRC log, then it was available for public view
anyway. What's the big deal? It's not like you are keeping some big
top secret press realease, now is it? If Adam said it in a public
IRC then it should not be a problem.


I think one should still ask, I have not - he said so much and people
thinking of the high end machine need to know the philosophy. However,
it is only days before some matters subject to further decision might
be made known. Ack did not respond to prompts along the lines of:
"is this a press release".

Quote:
The July 29th date is for AmiRevival, where Adam expects to have
PV hardware for demo and for sale from what I've heard.


OK here is a relevant snippet:
Quote:
jahc: when is the high end board going to come out?
ackcontrols: Goal is to have several products available for
AmiRevival show.


Noel

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Posted on 19-May-2006 15:02:07
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@Herewegoagain
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If Adam said it in a public IRC then it should not be a problem.

Exactly. Besides, Adam will be very busy working on his hardware projects and won't have time to play PR guy most of the time.

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Posted on 20-May-2006 15:22:46
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@ssolie

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ssolie wrote:
@Herewegoagain
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If Adam said it in a public IRC then it should not be a problem.

Exactly. Besides, Adam will be very busy working on his hardware projects and won't have time to play PR guy most of the time.


Yep... and Adam needs someone to do his PR work... He's not real good at that aspect (sorry Adam, you do the hardware, but get someone to help you for the PR)

Now since the IRC transcript has been posted, I'm thinking the following could be a feasable lineup:

I must say I'm suprised a bit by the latest info on the IRC log about a "high end board" that uses the 1.7GHz modules he is making for the A1 market. That was a bit unexpected. I'm not thrilled by all of his specs, but it's better than not having anything like we have now.

Running OS4 on a 1.7GHz board will be a thrill, (yes even at $1000). And if he couples the board with the lower speed 1GHz CPU card, then there should also be available a "mid range" model at a more moderate price. That would give the PV for lowend/classics, a 1GHz mid range box and a 1.7GHz high end box. That $1000 price is approximately $150 USD more than the announced price for the 1.7GHz CPU itself. Since the CPU's were announced at $500 and $850 USD, pricing could fall something like this:

PowerVixxen 1200- @400MHz $299 USD (already announced)
Mid-range Bigbox CPU+"High end" Mobo @1GHz $650 USD (possible mid range)
High-end Bigbox CPU+"High end" Mobo @1.7GHz $1000 USD (tentatively announced)

Basing that off of the original CPU prices of $500 and $850 respectively, and the 1.7GHz+Mobo being estimated at $1000. That is just speculation on my part, but it's easy to see that Adam can create a variety of price ranges based upon what he is doing.



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Posted on 20-May-2006 15:41:13
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@Herewegoagain

Mid-range Bigbox CPU+"High end" Mobo @1GHz $650 USD (possible mid range)

---->

Mid-range Bigbox CPU+"High end" Mobo @1GHz $350 USD (possible mid range) without OS4/ but running Linux

is a good price.

Otherwise I would go for Efika and possibly PowerVixxen. You know, I am not rich like Amigans.

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