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Re: New hardware clue number 2 Posted on 8-Sep-2006 12:23:51
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Clue#3 at Pianeta Amiga 2006, you're right, but mean on "live", not on web-site now
So, you will get the clue#3...not here or there (iksnet or PA site), but on Italy - EMPOLI.
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Re: New hardware clue number 2 Posted on 8-Sep-2006 12:24:41
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But at least nobody mentioned the Gx |
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Re: New hardware clue number 2 Posted on 8-Sep-2006 12:25:20
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AFAIK, calling clue #3 a "clue" is quite an understatement: Samantha will be officially presented. Ikir means that there will be no more clues until Pianeta Amiga, due in 15 days. So, questions about price and features will be answered there.
Edit: just a tad late Last edited by sgm on 08-Sep-2006 at 12:27 PM.
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Re: New hardware clue number 2 Posted on 8-Sep-2006 12:32:41
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Right. Samatha will be at Pianeta Amiga. _________________ ikir |
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Re: New hardware clue number 2 Posted on 8-Sep-2006 12:41:17
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But at least nobody mentioned the Gx |
Hehe, but the Gx doesn't look like those soldering pins above at the ground |
Nitpicker!
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AFAIK, calling clue #3 a "clue" is quite an understatement: Samantha will be officially presented. I |
Alright, I just wouldn't go there only to be handed out a photo-snippet.
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Re: New hardware clue number 2 Posted on 8-Sep-2006 12:42:14
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| So, is this 440 chip powerfull enough to drive a full desktop solution, or is it more suitable for a settop box, or multimedia centre ? Or something like a handhels device ?
I sort of hope for a device that sits next to my TV, playing DIVX, DVD, MP3, viewing photo's, sending mail, surfing the net etc....
I think this kind of device wll be very popular (at the right price) also outside the Amiga world.
Cheers, holding my breath......
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Re: New hardware clue number 2 Posted on 8-Sep-2006 12:47:10
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I thought the 440EPx family makes most sense for desktop usage. The 667 Mhz versions are about 85 US$ in 1000+ quantities. _________________ My programs: via.bckrs.de MorphOS user since V0.4 (2001) |
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Re: New hardware clue number 2 Posted on 8-Sep-2006 12:50:24
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| Price is important, of course... But I wonder if 667mhz is enough for the people who hasn't yet bought an AmigaONE?
I had a feeling that most people were looking for more power. Still, hardware is great news and we all want this to happen. _________________ Kind regards, Morten
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Re: New hardware clue number 2 Posted on 8-Sep-2006 12:51:35
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The 667 Mhz versions are about 85 US$ in 1000+ quantities. |
Even if this was the only hardware on the horizon, I wouldn't risk buying 1000 pieces of that chip when my target market is _only_ OS4.
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But I wonder if 667mhz is enough for the people who hasn't yet bought an AmigaONE? |
Would be fine for me. Even the slower PV LT would be ok. As soon as the hardware is "cheap", I can still justify a purchase of a geeky retro thingy.Last edited by polka. on 08-Sep-2006 at 12:55 PM.
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Re: New hardware clue number 2 Posted on 8-Sep-2006 12:53:28
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Metalheart wrote: So, is this 440 chip powerfull enough to drive a full desktop solution, or is it more suitable for a settop box, or multimedia centre ?
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Well, it is G2. Not high end, but still enough power to be a nice maschine. DVD playback at full speed (by cpu power alone) will not be possible I guess (mostly due to L2 cache issues). The 440EPx has about 1330 MIPS at 667 MHz, for comparision:
604e-233 MHz: ~420 MIPS 5200B-400 MHz: ~760 MIPS 750CXe-600 MHZ: ~1400 MIPS 7447A - 1000 MHz ~:2310 MIPS
Well, you have to consider, that MIPS values alone aren't everything, a very big issue is the L2 cache and there the 440 does not -cough -look good (i.e. it is *absent* at all).
edit: last sentence was messed up edit: added 7447A Last edited by Zylesea on 08-Sep-2006 at 01:00 PM. Last edited by Zylesea on 08-Sep-2006 at 12:56 PM. Last edited by Zylesea on 08-Sep-2006 at 12:56 PM.
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Re: New hardware clue number 2 Posted on 8-Sep-2006 12:53:45
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polka. wrote: Even if this was the only hardware on the horizon, I wouldn't risk buying 1000 pieces of that chip when my target market is _only_ OS4. |
AFAIK, you're not the only one thinking like this
Edit: typo.Last edited by sgm on 08-Sep-2006 at 12:54 PM.
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Re: New hardware clue number 2 Posted on 8-Sep-2006 12:57:59
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AFAIK, you're not the only one thinking like this |
Good to hear that also others use some common sense. Honestly, there is no reason why producers would want to only target OS4 with such a device. The developer/producer/hardware licensee is free to buy OS4 licenses only for a part of the whole production and thus reduce hardware prices and potentially increase profits. If you only target OS4, you really have to be a good Samaritan. Also Adam was checking out other markets (Beos, Haiku) for his projects.Last edited by polka. on 08-Sep-2006 at 01:02 PM.
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Re: New hardware clue number 2 Posted on 8-Sep-2006 13:00:39
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The 667 Mhz versions are about 85 US$ in 1000+ quantities. |
Even if this was the only hardware on the horizon, I wouldn't risk buying 1000 pieces of that chip when my target market is _only_ OS4.
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Well, who knows maybe you don't know the actual plan? I will stay confident in that there is a market and as we saw back when the 3 other models popped up there also came new users and there still is a bunch of users waiting for new hw.
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Re: New hardware clue number 2 Posted on 8-Sep-2006 13:03:02
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| Any idea on what is the chip on the left? The southbridge, I presume. Bets anyone?
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Re: New hardware clue number 2 Posted on 8-Sep-2006 13:06:45
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Well, you have to consider, that MIPS values alone aren't everything, a very big issue is the L2 cache and there the 440 does not -cough -look good (i.e. it is *absent* at all). |
However these chips have very high speed I/O, so if the memory bus speed and video bandwidth are high enough, the lack L2 cache wouldn't really matter. |
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Re: New hardware clue number 2 Posted on 8-Sep-2006 13:06:53
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The minimum quantitiy the 440EPx is avaialble is 120 pcs, price is starting then a bit below 90 US $/piece. With low production runs the component prices become less important, because manufacturing costs/piece rise and rise. A production run of less than 500 pcs will become hilarious expensive/piece.
edit: mixed up compound with component Last edited by Zylesea on 08-Sep-2006 at 01:11 PM.
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Re: New hardware clue number 2 Posted on 8-Sep-2006 13:07:19
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Well, who knows maybe you don't know the actual plan? |
No, we don't know the actual plan, but we can still use some common sense.
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I will stay confident in that there is a market |
Sure there is a market. A market with tiny proportions. Do you honestly think that if all of the announced projects appear in the shops, it will be a self-sustaining business for all of the producers if they _only_ target their hardware at the OS4 market? Hell, that would even be difficult for just _one_ producer. Remember the Q&A with Alan Redhouse?
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Anyway if the price is right i guess this would be a nice little linux box aswell or? |
That's my point. But: The price only _can_ be right, _if_ you also market it as a Linux-box for the geeks.Last edited by polka. on 08-Sep-2006 at 01:08 PM.
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Re: New hardware clue number 2 Posted on 8-Sep-2006 13:08:39
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However these chips have very high speed I/O, so if the memory bus speed and video bandwidth are high enough, the lack L2 cache wouldn't really matter. |
Yes, but I wouldn't say "not matter", but inded taht may compensate a lot. *May* compensate even enough to deliver the performance needed for full speed dvd playback._________________ My programs: via.bckrs.de MorphOS user since V0.4 (2001) |
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Re: New hardware clue number 2 Posted on 8-Sep-2006 13:12:27
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Any idea on what is the chip on the left? The southbridge, I presume. Bets anyone? |
Does the 440 need a "classical" southbridge at all? Anyway, guessing games are boring when there is noone (Ikir?) to confirm or deny the guesses._________________ This signature is in the middle of a much needed facelift! |
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Re: New hardware clue number 2 Posted on 8-Sep-2006 13:16:19
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Ikir is the messenger, remember? Boring? Well, boring can be a thread about "OS4 on PS3", or maybe "OS4 on x86" just because you know that there's nothing tangible behind them. Come on, it's (a slow) Friday, let's take it lightly: after all, 15 days is just "two more weeks"
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