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Re: I think we need MOS emu...And I will explain you why... Posted on 25-Sep-2006 20:19:12
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he is afraid to be critizised by ChainQ. |
Haha, fame and fortune, here i come... _________________ MorphOS, classic Amiga, demoscene, and stuff "When a bridge is not enough, build a Viaduct!" "Strip the Amiga community of speculation and we can fit every forum on a 720k floppy" (by resle) |
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Re: I think we need MOS emu...And I will explain you why... Posted on 25-Sep-2006 20:36:08
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| @Chip Quote:
Simply: To force the developers to do native version. |
There's a company in the computer industry, which we all dislike, and which is well known from such practices, cutting interoperability at everywhere possible, forcing developers to use their solutions, defining their own standard variants, to make developers harder to support other systems than theirs... Guess the name. Congratulations that you're proud about doing the same...
"One System to rule them all, One System to find them, One System to bring them all and in the darkness bind them." Last edited by Chain-Q on 25-Sep-2006 at 08:36 PM.
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Re: I think we need MOS emu...And I will explain you why... Posted on 25-Sep-2006 20:47:33
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| @Chain-Q
Bad metaphor. 1. I'm not a company. 2. I repeat myself: "Anyway, nobody will be shooten if he/she make a mosemu him/herself." So go ahead. Do it. We are not "cutting interoperability at everywhere possible".
Congratulations to shoot yourself on foot again.
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Maybe because it doesn't work properly and he is afraid to be critizised by ChainQ. |
As you see, I'm so hated he did it without reason -again-. Seems I'm very famous in the blue side if they are looking for the chance to critizise me.
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Re: I think we need MOS emu...And I will explain you why... Posted on 25-Sep-2006 20:58:20
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mmm... Here seems that the topic was far away... I think we need MOSemu, I dont want a war here. Everyone was free to have an own opinion... I dont see why that emu if exist wasnt public others no...ok, no probs! But don't attack anyone! Whe are here to talk...simply that.
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Re: I think we need MOS emu...And I will explain you why... Posted on 25-Sep-2006 21:06:12
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| @Tuxedo
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...I dont see why that emu if exist wasnt public... |
As told before... releasing something like this could give legal problems... no need to get into trouble when you can live without it_________________ Best regards, hnl_dk - Henning Nielsen Lund [Denmark]
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Re: I think we need MOS emu...And I will explain you why... Posted on 25-Sep-2006 21:09:10
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| @Tuxedo Me & others have suggested these ideas years ago (that MOSemu would benefit OS4), but nobody wants to listen . They would rather have OS4 vs MOS vs Windows+Linux, rather than OS4+MOS vs Windows+Linux.
Daft really. To coin a stupid metaphore: It would be like still having black vs white racism/fighting after the martians have landed and are attacking the human race. The martins would be very happy, as it ensures that they win over the short-sighted human race. The same thing probably happens to Amiga.
@hnl_dk THERE ARE NO LEGAL PROBLEMS. Or Microsoft would have stopped the WINE project on Linux ages ago. Last edited by ChrisH on 25-Sep-2006 at 09:10 PM.
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Re: I think we need MOS emu...And I will explain you why... Posted on 25-Sep-2006 21:18:07
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| hnl_dk: Stop spreading this FUD. OS4Emu is not illegal.
One more time and I will Abuse report you for FUD.
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Re: I think we need MOS emu...And I will explain you why... Posted on 25-Sep-2006 21:42:13
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He was talking about mosemu. Interesting you bring up os4emu when the legality cames into picture...
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Re: I think we need MOS emu...And I will explain you why... Posted on 25-Sep-2006 21:43:51
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| @hnl_dk
Your record is broken... _________________ My programs: via.bckrs.de MorphOS user since V0.4 (2001) |
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Re: I think we need MOS emu...And I will explain you why... Posted on 25-Sep-2006 21:45:22
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| @Chip
So MOSemu was not a simple wrapper, but included illegal stuff? _________________ My programs: via.bckrs.de MorphOS user since V0.4 (2001) |
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Re: I think we need MOS emu...And I will explain you why... Posted on 25-Sep-2006 21:51:28
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| @Zylesea
MOSemu was (and still is) a perfectly legal wrapper. The author just decided not to continue development or release it. _________________ Playstation Network ID: xeron6 |
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Re: I think we need MOS emu...And I will explain you why... Posted on 25-Sep-2006 21:54:30
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Yes, you know the author downloaded an illegal copy of MorphOS and developed using that. |
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Re: I think we need MOS emu...And I will explain you why... Posted on 25-Sep-2006 22:28:12
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| All these reasons to not release this theorically working MosEmu look like nice excuses to me.
My guess is the author has been confronted to a major technical obstacle preventing this emulation from working properly with a wider application range and he probably wasn't motivated enough to continue.
Time will tell, maybe. :)
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Re: I think we need MOS emu...And I will explain you why... Posted on 25-Sep-2006 22:31:00
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Re: I think we need MOS emu...And I will explain you why... Posted on 25-Sep-2006 22:34:21
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I don't know why you persist with this. Reverse engineering an API is not illegal.
ReactOS is a Windows compatible OS. WINE runs Windows software. Reverse-engineered.
NTFS drivers for Linux etc? Reverse-engineered. nVidia and ATI graphics drivers for Linux and other OSes? Reverse-engineered.
SAMBA for Windows networking? Reverse-engineered. Apple don't seem too bothered by that - they put it in every OS X install.
Haiku is binary compatible with BeOS's API (BeOS is owned by Palm) AROS likewise with OS 3.x. Both reverse-engineered.
Software that lets you use the iPod on other music players or unsupported platforms. Reverse-engineered.
And you're fretting about the legality of OS4emu and mosemu??
Chris Last edited by clebin on 25-Sep-2006 at 10:36 PM.
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Re: I think we need MOS emu...And I will explain you why... Posted on 25-Sep-2006 22:41:27
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Re: I think we need MOS emu...And I will explain you why... Posted on 25-Sep-2006 22:43:05
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I think we need MOSemu, I dont want a war here. |
The war never ended and likely never will as long as both systems continue to exist. Keep on hoping but the reality is there will never be reconciliation. Your best bet probably is to forget about both systems and go for AROS if you want a peaceful place to exist._________________ ExecSG Team Lead |
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Re: I think we need MOS emu...And I will explain you why... Posted on 25-Sep-2006 22:47:38
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Me & others have suggested these ideas years ago (that MOSemu would benefit OS4), but nobody wants to listen . They would rather have OS4 vs MOS vs Windows+Linux, rather than OS4+MOS vs Windows+Linux. |
Agreed, and as MOSEmu is likely simpler to make compatible than OS4Emu (if I'm not mistaken, the way libraries work is the same as on OS3.x, and there are few libraries/functions above what OS3.1 contained), I suspect it would be more compatible with MOS software than OS4Emu is with OS4 software - making OS4 more attractive than MOS.
I can see why such a program would not be released with OS4 or be officially endorsed by Hyperion/Amiga, but I don't see any harm in the developer releasing it individually. It helps OS4 (more software available) and the MOS software developers (they get to sell MOS software to OS4 users), so from the OS4 side of things, it is all good.
The only potential problem is that Genesi might not like it, but I very much doubt that such an emulator would be illegal - and if anybody rules that it is, surely that also means MorphOS is illegal, as it emulates the functionality of the OS3.1 API? If Genesi fought that case, even winning it would mean they had lost.
Why can't we all just get along?
Chris
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Re: I think we need MOS emu...And I will explain you why... Posted on 25-Sep-2006 22:49:04
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As long as he doesn't run OS4emu on AROS!
I forgot to mention the connector for Evolution that lets you connect it to your MS Exchange server - one of jewels in Microsoft's crown. No less a company than Novell make that. Again, it was reverse-engineered.
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Re: I think we need MOS emu...And I will explain you why... Posted on 25-Sep-2006 22:56:13
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ssolie wrote: @Tuxedo Quote:
I think we need MOSemu, I dont want a war here. |
The war never ended and likely never will as long as both systems continue to exist. Keep on hoping but the reality is there will never be reconciliation. Your best bet probably is to forget about both systems and go for AROS if you want a peaceful place to exist. |
AROS is part of the melee - and your stirring the pot by claiming it to be a torch for peace. The war is necessary to some... gives people stuff to stress about while they wait for something to actually happen. I mean most of them are lonely old ####s - possibly fat and 30 and still living with their mum. |
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