@Akiko

I second you on that. Maybe Rogue should do as I have done? I always ignore threads that turn into flamewars or a lot of heated arguments. But that is maybe hard when you are a developer and want to know what the community really thinks?

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@number6

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He's just leaving out the link to "wind you up".

A poor way to wind me up without throwing me something to get wound up about.
No idea about ACK, haven't talked with him for a while.

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@Akiko

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it's a shame a minority of troublemakers should be allowed to win the day.

I don't think so. Why say this? You THINK a minority is winning? You have a problem with something? There is a report button at the bottom of each and every post. IF you click it we will look at it. IF you post an explanation to one of us as to WHY you find a posting offensive, that helps even more.

@thread

People wringing their hands and whining about how unfair things are, doesn't get anything done.

The Hyperion guys are big boys and can certainly take care of themselves.... however, may I just say to all...

Step back and allow them to get on with it!

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@Akiko

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I'm sorry you feel like that but I can see why u might. I hope you find more hospitable forums to post on. I know that lots of us here appreciated what you had to contribute towards this site, it's a shame a minority of troublemakers should be allowed to win the day.

Well, troublemakers or not, I feel like it is better to have my account deleted before I resort to similar posting styles like on MooBunny. I feel like the majority (or rather the vocal minority, whatever) is only here to try to provoke me into something, and I am easily provoked so I might end up using words that will display as '####' in the posting.

This has prompted me to ask for deletion because otherwise, even if I promise myself not to log in again, I will one day post something that I won't even regret.

Take this thread for example. I didn't even want to post anything at all, and seeing how the (avoiding a word that starts with 'a' here) brigade would jump at it (especially over at MooBunny, where certain people get downright personal), but I did it anyway because I thought about "those that do care". The result is that I am again in need to write defensive postings against the usual suspects (without going to mention names).

Plainly, I have come to notice that my time is far too valuable for me to bother with this anymore. I feel sorry for those that DO care about OS 4, but I don't feel like reading the same over and over again. Unlike most other people from Hyperion, I made the mistake from the start to expose myself too much to the public, making myself a good target for anyone that would want one.

And now I notice I have already taken too much time to defend a decision that shouldn't really need any defending.

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@Rogue

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Seeing how I asked the administrators to delete my account here, I wouldn't count on that. Although I did not, so far, receive a reaction to it.

Sure you did, you're still here!

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@Rogue

Shame you feel that way...there is a more "pure hearted" community forum available since a couple of days; hope you fare better there

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@Cheese

It's not about "pure hearted", I would even post in a MorphOS forum if the discussion was objective. I am not trying to deny mistakes of the past, I just can't stand it when the same people point them out over and over.

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@Cheese

Pure hearted as in ?

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@Rogue

Otoh, you made those "mistakes"; imho it's normal ppl question similiar announcements a year later. Removing your account and blaming ppl for making the same point over and over again is like being in a discussion and flip the finger before leaving angry. Why just not smile, let them talk and prove them wrong instead?

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@Cheese

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Otoh, you made those "mistakes"; imho it's normal ppl question similiar announcements a year later. Removing your account and blaming ppl for making the same point over and over again is like being in a discussion and flip the finger before leaving angry. Why just not smile, let them talk and prove them wrong instead?

Good point.
Similar news over and over again saying "things will come" and nothing comes, isn't the best way to improve the mood of a forum.

And without something happening, it's no wonder the thread-topics consist of old subjects discussed over and over again.

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@Yo

"People wringing their hands and whining about how unfair things are"

Excuse me?.. OK just Imagine you frequently visited a forum because you wanted to inform and offer support to your customers. However your competitors and their supporters constantly dissected, manipulated, twisted your every word. Would you bother to visit that site and continue to have these same arguments with these same people even after 3 years?

"You have a problem with something? There is a report button at the bottom of each and every post"

I'm afraid there isn't an abuse button for mind games and propaganda.

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I'm afraid there isn't an abuse button for mind games and propaganda

No, but there is a new webforum for propaganda now.

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@polka.

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No, but there is a new webforum for propaganda now.

Oh? Please, direct me to this new forum.

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@Legion

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@Akiko

I was wasn't referring to the developers with the 'wringing hands' comment.... btw....

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@tomazkid

Pure hearted... it's actually as nice to be at that site as it was when aw.net
was new. It's refreashing not seeing the same cr*p written over and over again.
It might be not be as much to read as here but what's written is a lot better/nicer/healthier
to read. This page got perhaps one page of things worth reading... and you see
nothing wrong in that? Well go on then, become ANN.lu, that's the way to go.

What's that word now..... crazy? At least that's what I thought when I visited
ANN.lu some times ago when it was at its worst and aw.net is getting there. Maybe
a release of new hardware and AOS 4.0 final will be enough to change this, maybe
not...

@Rogue

I totally don't blame you Rogue.

@Rogue

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Plainly, I have come to notice that my time is far too valuable for me to bother with this anymore.

Priceless :)

Quite right too. Stuff the people that have foolishly stuck by and waited year after year for something to come of OS4 and Amiga. Why waste your precious time telling them why there's still nothing to show when it's nearly 2007 and Ben Herman's stated in 1807 that it was just round the corner (ok slight exaggeration). Frankly why bother with people who foolishly spent hard earned money buying something (A1+uA1+OS4) that they believed would be *supported* for the a few years but actually hasn't even been bloody *released*!

Perhaps you might also consider that the embedded/industrial customers you seem to hold so close to your heart actually look at this forum as well - who might actually constitute a considerable business market for you - and not just old school amiga fans frustrated by 10+ years of inaction and ineptitude.

But sure throw your toys out of the pram; give off an even worse image of the OS4/Amiga team. It will only make the inevitable disappointment of the annual "news item" hoax easier to swallow.

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Seeing how I asked the administrators to delete my account here, I wouldn't count on that. Although I did not, so far, receive a reaction to it.

I'm unaware if you PMed anyone other than me, but my primary email is inop at the moment, if you emailed. You do indeed have a response via email.

@thread
While I don't necessarily _agree_ with all of Rogue's posts, or opinions, he and his brother represent the most 'real information' we have, and they give it relatively freely, even if a bit 'testy' now and then. I'd ask all of you how YOU would feel, in the evnet of working on a project for some 5-odd years, while very likely having information you'd LOVE to be able to give out, but can't, while people dissect every single word you say. I doubt you'd always be in the best of moods, either.

Thread locked for now, so everyone can cool off a bit, and possibly even..._think_ a little.

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@tomazkid

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Good point. Similar news over and over again saying "things will come" and nothing comes, isn't the best way to improve the mood of a forum.

Well given his position, there are really 2 things he can do:
1. Just stay away from the forums until you have a ready product to announce and leave the users in doubt
2. Occasionally let people know that things are in motion and better times are ahead

Since he cannot speak for Hyperion, nor make announcements, the best he can do is number 2. I think many people are losing hope and their patience is hanging by a thread, so IMHO it's good for many to hear some reassuring words from one of the core developers, even if he cannot give any specific details about what's coming. I also think that a core AmigaOS developer posting on a forum is a privilage and he should be respected for 'reaching out' to the users.