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ironfist 
Re: Samantha traveled to France
Posted on 24-Oct-2006 13:07:52
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Amiga-One:
Isn't the size too big for automotive use? Normal embedded platforms
are much, much smaller. Some are even credit card sized.

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COBRA 
Re: Samantha traveled to France
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Automotive hardware is not smaller, we develop software for them at the company where I work. Oh and they usually have PPC CPU :)

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Re: Samantha traveled to France
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I like the case design


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Re: Samantha traveled to France
Posted on 24-Oct-2006 14:24:04
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MorphOS 1.4.5 on Pegasos - just love it!
MorphOS 1.4.5 on A1200PPC - Delfina roxx!

It’s funny that one on so interested in Morph OS spend they day complain about prices on AmigaOS4 upcoming hardware.

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Re: Samantha traveled to France
Posted on 24-Oct-2006 14:28:49
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Excellent!

I'm still in favour of seeing the Amiga name somewhere on the case.

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hatschi 
Re: Samantha traveled to France
Posted on 24-Oct-2006 14:36:10
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@NutsAboutAmiga

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It’s funny that one on so interested in Morph OS spend they day complain about prices on AmigaOS4 upcoming hardware.


Why is that funny? Someone who is interested in MOS can't also be interested in OS4 - or what are you trying to say?

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wegster 
Re: Samantha traveled to France
Posted on 24-Oct-2006 14:39:16
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@K-L

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@takemehomegrandma

Its price would be at maximum 500 , less if more and more boards are sold. As far as I understood everything, the whole machine (Samantha + Case and peripherals without display) could be sold in the 900 range at maximum.

Nonetheless, evarything can change from now to the hypthetical release


And there I go, back to the 'uninterested list.' Some of the features are interesting, but not interesting enough for me to pay > $1000 USD for. I'll have to wait and see what/if final retail is set to for just the board, and if faster CPUs become options. Were the CPU to become more interesting/faster, I might consider one with a case similar to the above, no disk/peripherals, but performance/price just looks 'less than good' right now, even compared to the original A1s..

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NutsAboutAmiga 
Re: Samantha traveled to France
Posted on 24-Oct-2006 14:50:21
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@TrevorDick

I think the current model naming system is stupid.

Amiga computers have always named whit number.

Amiga 1000, Amiga 500, Amiga 600, Amiga 2000, Amiga 3000, Amiga 4000
And now we have several AmigaOne computers, model numbers are always increasing, never decreasing that the normal way of doing model numbers.

One more thing way they should use the AmigaOne is that if all models are called the same it becomes a bit confusing when we talk about the a specific model, I think we better to use the old naming system Amiga 5000, Amiga 6000, Amiga 7000, or come up whit naming system that reflect the type of hardware, memory / mhz / cpu type.

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Re: Samantha traveled to France
Posted on 24-Oct-2006 14:55:40
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@NutsAboutAmiga

I have said this -many- times.
We do not have an integrated hardware department.
These good people are all independent.
For you to have an -agreement- on naming conventions, they would first have to
meet as a group, discuss, and reach a consensus regarding naming.
Users can not determine this -for- them.

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adiaux 
Re: Samantha traveled to France
Posted on 24-Oct-2006 15:04:27
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@NutsAboutAmiga

It's funny that someone interested in Amiga can completely ignore perfectly valid arguments of fundamental importance, just because of the messengers signature ...

For Amiga to be able to raise to become even a fraction of its former self, it will be of incredible importance to get it out to the masses. We need to get Amiga in the hands of thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, even millions of creative people. Tell me, is this board really what will achieve that?

Don't get me wrong, I like this board. I will probably buy this myself, but only because I am insane, and prepared to pay prime dollars for a hobby. A few hundreds here will think the same way, maybe even a thousand people. But other than the hardcore nut-cases that are still remaining in this community today, who will buy a 500MHz 440CPU based system for 900 Euro? Not millions, that's for sure.

Power is actually of less importance in an Amiga system IMHO. The OS is so lean and efficient, that 400-500MHz could do perfectly fine for most areas of normal use. In fact, one could even argue that low power could be one of the points with using Amiga OS at all, thus AOS and low power devices is *the* symbiosis. So *price* is the key. And this is why the Samanta won't help the Amiga (as it looks today). It's very poor positioned. It's not high power for a premium price, and it's not low power for a low price. The Samanta will be low power for a premium price. That's a problem.

The designers should offer less, for less ...

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wegster 
Re: Samantha traveled to France
Posted on 24-Oct-2006 15:10:40
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@number6

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number6 wrote:
@NutsAboutAmiga

I have said this -many- times.
We do not have an integrated hardware department.
These good people are all independent.
For you to have an -agreement- on naming conventions, they would first have to
meet as a group, discuss, and reach a consensus regarding naming.
Users can not determine this -for- them.

#6


Yet it remains, a company that chooses to ignore input from potential buyers, or a majority of them, is generally not a well-run company, or one that is so wealthy it can choose to ignore anyone it effectively chooses not to sell for.

Consistency in naming would be a good thing...although in Amiga-land, where it seems the left and right hands are entirely unable to even email one another at times, I wouldn't hold my breath for such a thing to occur, sadly.

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wegster 
Re: Samantha traveled to France
Posted on 24-Oct-2006 15:14:57
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@takemehomegrandma
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I will probably buy this myself, but only because I am insane,


Filing away for future use

Agree entirely regarding pricing/power. I might be inclined to pick up a lower power (CPU/system-wise) system, but not at the current pricing.

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Zylesea 
Re: Samantha traveled to France
Posted on 24-Oct-2006 15:29:22
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@NutsAboutAmiga

I am complaining about the price for such a small board which could be interesting - given a competetive price. That is regardless of the dedicated OS.

Apart from that I never made a secret out of it that I do like MorphOS most. But since I am not too narrow minded it does not prevent me from being interested in the other 'amigaish' OSes, too. Be it OS4, AROS or the original 68k versions - they all catch my interest.

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TheDaddy 
Re: Samantha traveled to France
Posted on 24-Oct-2006 15:30:18
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@NutsAboutAmiga

I agree...

The next Amiga based on Samantha hardware has to be named:

Amiga 400 or Amiga 440

It's so clear...

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Rit 
Re: Samantha traveled to France
Posted on 24-Oct-2006 15:36:18
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@takemehomegrandma

I do agree that pricing is a bit of an issue, but dont forget that some people wont be buying this *just* because it's an Amiga, like me. I will be buying this because of my hate for all the other operating systems out there. To me , Amiga OS is *the* OS i want to be using. In a way you connot really compare the price of an up to date Amiga OS and hardware with any other pc/mac hardware out there at the moment, because an Amiga is not just "another" computer. In a way i feel privelidge to be paying alot of money for what i consider to be the *best* operating system out there.. It's like why do people pay alot of money for a painting when you might be able to by a similar one at a fraction of the price. It's becasue *Thats* the painting they want to have on their wall. It's about pride of ownership as well.. To me

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NutsAboutAmiga 
Re: Samantha traveled to France
Posted on 24-Oct-2006 15:54:12
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@takemehomegrandma

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It's funny that someone interested in Amiga can completely ignore perfectly valid arguments of fundamental importance, just because of the messengers signature ...


He ha, I have some self irony….. I read it and understand it, let’s say that comment made less impact after reading the signature

Any lets have look at Ironfist comment, he kindly points out that port is to big, and he is from “From: Pegasos.org” and is Avatar is banned, I can’t remember one single comment that Ironfist wrote that where positive in any way.

Quote:
I will probably buy this myself,


Oh yes that reminds me of the time you spent lots of cash on the AmigaOne model, the shortly after selling it an complaining at the same time about the hardware, but you all ways promoted the Pegasus platform even when back when it used the same kind of Northbridge chip as the AmigaOne models.

I hope you’re not again going to buy it to exploit its weaknesses, you pointed out to me that your sales man, a good sales man find weaknesses whit competing product and promote there products on the key features where there competitors are weakest.

Maybe I’m just making conspiracy theirs her but, it looks like there is not thing wrong whit that as long is directed at web page that down too long, or if some one can’t present at Amiga show, I’m not blaming any one specific for this, lets say human nature.

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Re: Samantha traveled to France
Posted on 24-Oct-2006 15:56:28
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@TheDaddy

Could be a good idea.

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NutsAboutAmiga 
Re: Samantha traveled to France
Posted on 24-Oct-2006 15:59:07
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@Zylesea

You have not really made that many comments not really made picture of what you believe in or not, so if misjudged you I’m sorry.

I’m just pointing out that your sending mixed signals.

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COBRA 
Re: Samantha traveled to France
Posted on 24-Oct-2006 16:04:27
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@takemehomegrandma

Quote:
The Samanta will be low power for a premium price. That's a problem.


Don't you think it's too early to draw conclusions about the Samantha's pricing? There's only been a rough estimate for the "first small batch for developers" and we have no idea how many units that will be, thus it's impossible to estimate at what price they will be available when they start making high volume production. The price of 1000+ boards could be half of the price of a small batch of say 50 boards.
We also know that their primary market is not OS4, but embedded and that they have developed the board primarily for a customer to suit their specific needs, but at the same time they can market the boards for the OS4 market with a slightly higher specced CPU. This means that they can make a single production run in the factory for both markets and just fit a different CPU on those boards which are going to ship with OS4. So I wouldn't draw any conculsions about Samantha's pricing yet.

Besides, you really cannot go any lower spec. than the Samantha, except if your target market does not require good multimedia performance (audio/video decoding/encoding, etc.)

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COBRA 
Re: Samantha traveled to France
Posted on 24-Oct-2006 16:13:43
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@takemehomegrandma

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who will buy a 500MHz 440CPU based system for 900 Euro? Not millions, that's for sure.


Nice playing with the numbers there :) But last time I checked, for the OS4 market that's a 667MHz CPU and 370-400EUR estimated price for the first small developer batch.

Apart from that I agree with you that the Samantha with OS4 will have a limited market, maybe a few thousand max. No "outsider" will buy a 677MHz machine as a desktop machine, which runs an OS which has hardly any software available yet. It will also not attract too many developers to start producing lots of professional titles for OS4 like Adobe Photoshop. So it's only for us Amiga maniacs :)

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