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Poll : Would you use OS4 if it ran on PC boxes/laptops?
Yes, immediately.
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Re: [Poll] Carl's Amiga Test
Posted on 27-Oct-2006 11:05:29
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1 - Fors sure!

Pantwetting.

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Re: [Poll] Carl's Amiga Test
Posted on 27-Oct-2006 11:06:29
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@TheDaddy

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>Or perhaps are you talking of the "MYTHICAL" italian "Project Moana"?

(Which seems, from rumors, it should perform at the Speed of Light, invincible, untouchable, unbreakable, unstoppable?)

What the hell are you talking about?

More info...please


An allegedy full size ATX (or BTX) motherboard (again made in Italy) which should be the heir of Samantha...

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Re: [Poll] Carl's Amiga Test
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Re: [Poll] Carl's Amiga Test
Posted on 27-Oct-2006 11:07:34
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When, where, how, who, how much, why?

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Re: [Poll] Carl\'s Amiga Test
Posted on 27-Oct-2006 11:13:02
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Since this makes it look like AOS4 has neither, I'd just like to point out that:
- the publically available beta already has partial MP (and it is likely that it has been improved in the many months that followed since the release and the work that has been done on the memory system);


Partial MP isn't what I'm after, and AmigaOS4 can't have full MP without breaking current applications or freezing the current API, make current programs run in a sandbox, and make a new API, MP-safe, that new programs should use.

Quote:

- the latest internal betas have been reported to have VM working (I can't tell any details as I'm not a betatester).


VM is certainly easier to implement than MP, but again, it has little benefit on a system with only one 32 bit address space. For instance, If an hypothetical AmigaONE could host 2GB of memory, there'd be no use for virtual memory.

Last edited by falemagn on 27-Oct-2006 at 11:52 AM.

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Re: [Poll] Carl's Amiga Test
Posted on 27-Oct-2006 11:13:17
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None knows about Moana! The ones and the "Only" who knows are the magical trio of Samantha doing alchemical projects, and spellings, and mixtures with new hardware.

One voice rumor said they had spended their very last money to bought a batch of 5 or 10 PPC 8641 evaluation processors, (8641 is the new double core G4 clocked at 1,7 GHz each).

But we are waiting first about their launch of Samantha.

Any other project it is far to came...
-(I HATE WAITING FOR EONS NEW HARDWARE!)

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Re: [Poll] Carl's Amiga Test
Posted on 27-Oct-2006 11:14:01
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Sometimes a specific test case provides better insight than an abstract definition. So, here is a test question.

What if:

1. Amiga OS 4 ran on a modern PC box/laptop, and

I perfer laptops.... Majority of recent laptop sales are non-MS Vista Aero Glass friendly Intel GMAs....

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Re: [Poll] Carl's Amiga Test
Posted on 27-Oct-2006 11:20:02
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@Raffaele

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8641 is the new double core G4 clocked at 1,7 GHz each

Whoa, whats this? I've never heard of this chip before. I will google for more info. If there can be machines made with any dual core PPC, I wonder when AmigaOS will ever be made SMP capable, if ever!

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Posted on 27-Oct-2006 11:22:51
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Bobsonsirjonny wrote:
@Carl-S

Quote:

Carl-S wrote:
@Yo

[quote]
Yo wrote:
@Carl-S

I could have OS4 on a laptop... cool....


Ah... glad you noticed that. It is one of the main reasons for me. (I have several older laptops/tablets here... OS4 would run nicely.)


OS4 is said to be small and efficient enough.. how about running it on the 100$ PC? how cool would it be to have a super simple basic language - a language more basic than basic to teach kids the fundementals of programming. I've heard of one called Kid basic... get kids really understanding, and creating - give them a buzz.
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Re: [Poll] Carl's Amiga Test
Posted on 27-Oct-2006 11:30:20
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1.7Ghz without a fast FSB would be useless... It has a 666Mhz Memory bus... it's the "core duo" of the PPC family

unfortunately it has suffered a lot of delays and I don't really know if it's available now.

It's the only cpu more or less reasonable to build a custom PPC motherboard because it includes PCI/PCIe/DDR2/Ethernet gigabit and other built in controllers

Any other effort using slow 603 based embedded cpus is probably wasted time and money. In contrast, MPC8641D includes big L2 caches and is enough fast for a desktop computer

But I don't think it will happen anytime soon.

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Posted on 27-Oct-2006 11:34:19
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@jahc

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Quote:
8641 is the new double core G4 clocked at 1,7 GHz each

Whoa, whats this? I've never heard of this chip before. I will google for more info. If there can be machines made with any dual core PPC, I wonder when AmigaOS will ever be made SMP capable, if ever!


http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=MPC8641D&nodeId=0162468rH3bTdG8653

I wonder if the magic of Moana will be just to let live together 2 different running AmigaOS each one dealing with one core of 8641, while waiting for future SMP on AmigaOS...

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Posted on 27-Oct-2006 11:39:29
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1.7Ghz without a fast FSB would be useless... It has a 666Mhz Memory bus... it's the "core duo" of the PPC family

unfortunately it has suffered a lot of delays and I don't really know if it's available now.

It's the only cpu more or less reasonable to build a custom PPC motherboard because it includes PCI/PCIe/DDR2/Ethernet gigabit and other built in controllers

Any other effort using slow 603 based embedded cpus is probably wasted time and money. In contrast, MPC8641D includes big L2 caches and is enough fast for a desktop computer

But I don't think it will happen anytime soon.


I had a strange thought (strange feel/sensation) regarding 8641 since Freescale had been renewed documents about it three months ago... (check release date of references)

Seems that something it is at least boling in the magic caudron!

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Posted on 27-Oct-2006 11:40:19
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@Raffaele

Regarding the PPC 8641 I found this:

http://www.insanely-great.com/news.php?id=6592

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Re: [Poll] Carl's Amiga Test
Posted on 27-Oct-2006 11:43:53
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Regarding the PPC 8641 I found this:

http://www.insanely-great.com/news.php?id=6592



You missed the hit.

8641 is not PPC6, it is a double core G4.

Freescale it is not IBM.


[EDIT]

Better to stop now. We are going completely OFF Topic.

Let pass the ball to Carl Sassenrath now...

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Posted on 27-Oct-2006 11:45:36
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But I would still like a PPC6

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Partial MP isn't what I'm after

I did not (mean to) say that AOS4 fulfills/will fulfil your needs. My only intent was clearly stated by the introductive words: "Since this makes it look like AOS4 has neither, I'd just like to point out that [...]".

As for the techical points you mention, we all know there is truth in them, that they have been extensively discussed elsewhere and that this is not the place to discuss them further.

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Re: [Poll] Carl\'s Amiga Test
Posted on 27-Oct-2006 12:02:32
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Quote:

I did not (mean to) say that AOS4 fulfills/will fulfil your needs. My only intent was clearly stated by the introductive words: "Since this makes it look like AOS4 has neither, I'd just like to point out that [...]".

As for the techical points you mention, we all know there is truth in them, that they have been extensively discussed elsewhere and that this is not the place to discuss them further.


Just wanted to clarify your points, for they might have made the situation look rosier than it is.

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Posted on 27-Oct-2006 12:03:10
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As I said, G5 is not designed for mobile devices but rather for high-performance workstations, where it is very competitive (see this article.

Quote:
Is MPC8641D available for sale?


That's for Q1 2007. I have a feeling that "Moana" is based on that :)

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Posted on 27-Oct-2006 12:14:17
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@COBRA

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As I said, G5 is not designed for mobile devices but rather for high-performance workstations, where it is very competitive (see this article.

Note that, Operons includes a northdbrige and NUMA architecture i.e. memory controller scales with the number of processors.

At per core performance basis, there’s very little difference between Opteron and Athlon 64 1MB L2 cache.

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