@Toaks
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May i suggest some heavy moderating in this thread? it's littered with accusations, fud and attacks.

I remember that not too long ago anybody who dared mentioned that it looked like AInc. was getting ready to sue Hyperion was "spreading FUD".

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@CodeSmith who in #123 said Quote:

1. Amiga Inc keeps on denying manufacturers licenses so that Hyperion can't sell OS4 2. Miraculously, someone decides to go ahead and make a board anyway, ... 3. Amiga Inc partners with a hardware person who ... has a history of not being able to deliver. 4. Amiga Inc sues Hyperion ... 5. The idealist ... fails to deliver yet again 6. Amiga Inc ... cuts him loose for breach of contract.

Spot on, I couldn't have said better myself. The only thing I think you got wrong is this:
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7. Amiga Inc declares the classic line dead once and for all, puts a nice eulogy in their website.

You have to ask yourself why Amiga Inc doesn't want Hyperion to sell OS4: My favoured hypothesis (which isn't new) is that Amiga Inc wants OS4 solely for it's IP value. This (and their frequent lack of funds for lawyers) explains pretty much all of their actions & inactions since the dot com bubble burst (and thus presumably their VC's wanted some of their money back). edit: So I expect Amiga Inc to keep posting blatant lies about OS4 being the number one multimedia OS (etc), until they can con someone into buying it for far more than it's worth.

@nicolas
Have you ever read the definition of a troll?

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Very strange that they, announce new hardware the same day as they announce they wil sue the programmers of OS4 ? How stupid is that ? And they will include OS4 with this new machine, without developers ?

@Toaks



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May i suggest some heavy moderating in this thread? it's littered with accusations, fud and attacks.

I know.





Bloody great isn't it!

@dan.hutch
> hope that the Judge that gets this case also investigates the forums like this
That's a good idea. In this forum, the judge will find sanity, clarity, accuracy and reason.

@kriz

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And they will include OS4 with this new machine, without developers ?

They don't need OS4 to be developed further, after all they have their OS5. What they're forgetting is that most talented devs who care about the future of AmigaOS are involved in the development and/or betatesting of OS4 in one way or another, so they have very close bonds with Hyperion. So actually Amiga Inc. would lose more by winning this court case, than if they lose the court case. If they lose, they will have to share the profit of OS4 sales with hyperion, instead of taking it all. If they win, they will lose the majority of developers who are still active on the Amiga (and probably most users will go with them), so they'll have full rights to a completely dead platform. It seems I have overestimated the intelligence of Amiga Inc.

Even if I am (hopefully) wrong about Amiga Inc, and ACK do actually deliver on their promised h/w, I really can't see how they can get OS4 for it until the legal battle is over - which has got to be 6+ months away IMHO. I really think that this delay & uncertainty (even in the best case) will have killed OS4's chances by then. Thank you Amiga Inc & Bill McEwan for killing OS4.

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@ChrisH

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@nicolas Have you ever read the definition of a troll?

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Troll: Trolls show no respect for other people's opinions and deliberately crafts messages to provoke others with the intention of wasting their time and energy or just to cause anger and confrontations. There is no point in arguing with them; their minds are made up. Ignore them, and report the posts immediately to an Amigaworld Team Member. Repeat offenders may incur an instant banned.

Stop talking to me then.

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@ChrisH

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Thank you Amiga Inc & Bill McEwan for killing OS4

... aaand perhaps a little bittle thanks to Hyperion for not giving a #### about the contract they signed (if Amigas accusations are to be believed)? I like Hyperion as much as anyone for doing the OS, but they are not above the law and can't just change the "rules of the game" on their own whim.

I do hope for a miraculous turn of events where the parties end up shaking hands and doing what is best for the community, though. Hoping, not believing.

@ChrisH

We have to thank Hyperion first for not delivering in 5 years.
Second thank Amiga Inc for not interventing one time in 4 years and doing nothing.


Amiga died when Petro left the boat...very sad

@all
http://www.merlancia.us/amiga-hyperion/decmcewenshow_case_doc.pdf

read at page 10 point 23
Amiga Inc and Acube.......

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Has anyone got link to a cached version of the old A Inc site. The one that up until recently stated that Amiga Inc does not support OS4.

@Rob

Yes!

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@Colin_Camper

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Colin_Camper wrote: @CodeSmith Quote: I think it was blatantly obvious to the rest of us that nicholas is one of the last few sad individuals trying to keep the old Red vs Blue thing alive. His comments come as no surprise to me. oh! Come on! I think the Blues have a right to gloat just a little. I say this as a long time red! He is being pretty civil about it! Don't spoil his fun.

Et tu, Colin? Even he felt this was some sort of karmic justice, ####ing on people's graves is just rude.

I think it might be an idea to consider revoking the use of members OS4 screenshots from the Ainc homepage. Is it worth having a poll on the issue?

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"15. Amiga has expended substantial time, effort and money in the promotion and advertisement of its computer hardware and software products ... Amiga's marks have achieved broad national recognition as identifying Amiga as the exclusive source of high quality computer software and hardware products."

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Another bomb in the Amiga world... the saga continues...

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@Flystone

Exactly. Neither Hyperion nor ACube are idiots. They would not have viable companies otherwise. I have been exposed to these types of cases before and I can assure you that both sides will have *extremely* different recollections of the events that occurred over the last 5 or 6 years.

I'm waiting to see what Hyperion's side of the story is before saying anything beyond that. Having read Amiga Inc.'s version of the events, I'd be willing to bet there were issues with the contract many years ago, and Hyperion probably has some grounds to claim the original contract was voided or changed a long time ago. I won't speculate on the reasons at this point but I can imagine what they might be. They would not blatantly countermand a written contract like that. And why would a second company (ACube) that was in negotiations with AInc. suddenly flip and go over to Hyperion's camp unless they knew something? Think about it.

Meanwhile, I've been lurking in this forum and waiting for *many* years to get my hands on AOS and some real hardware. What a shame.

M.

@Flystone

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y Flystone on 30-Apr-2007 20:22:09 @all http://www.merlancia.us/amiga-hyperion/decmcewenshow_case_doc.pdf read at page 10 point 23 Amiga Inc and Acube.......

Yes, it seems that only when it became apparant that Amiga Inc would not die and leave Hyperion the heir to AmigaDOS - they scuppered the Acube license with Amiga Inc and took it for themselves.

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@ikir

Interesting seeing as you can submit websites as evidence in a court case.