The trio was going to go tits up sooner or later because out of the three companies, there wasn't any professionals or even a decent business plan. Failing was the only goal they was aiming for.

As for the hardware, Alan Redhouse was warned about the Terons before he purchased them from mai. He was damn well told they was faulty but no, he called everyone "trolls" and referred to the faults as "features" while offering no warranties on the boards REMOVED PERSONAL ATTACK



Please don't insult. - Moxee

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@glittering

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glittering wrote: The trio was going to go tits up sooner or later because out of the three companies, there wasn't any professionals or even a decent business plan. Failing was the only goal they was aiming for. As for the hardware, Alan Redhouse was warned about the Terons before he purchased them from mai. He was damn well told they was faulty but no, he called everyone "trolls" and referred to the faults as "features" while offering no warranties on the boards REMOVED PERSONAL ATTACK

Hey, thats what I like about you, good constructive criticism.

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Swoop wrote: @glittering Quote: glittering wrote: The trio was going to go tits up sooner or later because out of the three companies, there wasn't any professionals or even a decent business plan. Failing was the only goal they was aiming for. As for the hardware, Alan Redhouse was warned about the Terons before he purchased them from mai. He was damn well told they was faulty but no, he called everyone "trolls" and referred to the faults as "features" while offering no warranties on the boards REMOVED PERSONAL ATTACK Hey, thats what I like about you, good constructive criticism.

While the "I told you so" could have been put nicer, it is the truth. There were plenty of people that said that PPC was not the answer, the Teron board was faulty, and the whole licensing scheme was a bad idea. They were, for the most part, called trolls and ignored. While hindsight is great some had the foresight to warn us. As far as being constructive, there is not a lot anyone can do until the court case is resolved, which unfortunatly might be the end of OS4.

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I look at it this way, in the Amiga market (and I include Genesi/MOS) just about everyone has been less than truthful at times but in a cut throat market. However, much of this assessment I derive from hindsight which is a wonderful thing. I compensate this by thinking along these lines.

Without Amino buying various rights etc Amiga OS would have died, period.

MOS guys started a variation OS in an attempt to keep the community alive long before that deal, absolutely nothing wrong with that in fact it has helped save our little part of the world even though we are still a little fractured.

Genesi have pulled some shifties too and let down their developers at times along the way.

Eyetech and Hyperion are the ones who have kept the "official" AOS going despite HW problems, no A1 no AOS4.

Now imagine if all of these players could overcome the failures of the past, collaborate and engage together with some big players (Sony etc) imagine the possibilities. If they don't and none of them succeed alone then hey I still have my A1 until it dies, then I never participate in the Amiga scene again.

Guess what I am saying is enjoy what you have whilst it lasts.

ace

@Swoop

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Swoop wrote: @Kronos Quote: Kronos wrote: It may be that relying on PPC-Macs (and maybe even Pegasos) wasn't the most wonderful plan back in 2001, but relying on Eyetech was plain stupid one from start. Again noone ever said that Eyetech shouldn't have been allowed to bundle "their" HW with OS4 (but one might add that in hindsight it might have been a good idea), they mistake was to let them have it exclusivly. You are being serious aren't you. Without that exclusivity the Eyetech/Hyperion contract would not have happened. No PPC Hardware! No PPC Operating System! ...

To me it seems as if you're forgetting the PPC stuff for the classics.
I bought my CSPPC back in Nov 1997!!!

If the Eyetech/Hyperion contract would not have happened, AInc most likely would have followed their original plan to make MorphOS the new Amiga PPC OS and to get the new hardware from what is today Genesi.

Appearently we (as the "community") would be better off now - with available hardware plus new PPC OS...

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@acefnq

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acefnq wrote: ... Without Amino buying various rights etc Amiga OS would have died, period. ...

[sarcasm on]
Yes indeed - its breathtaking alive these days...
[/sarcasm off]

How can you be sure how things would have gone if Amino would NOT have entrered the game?

I would assume H&P would have continued OS development (possibly taken MOS as new AmigaOS) and DCE would have come up with new HW and Petro would have stayed at the helm of Amiga...

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@Kronos

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The Escena-Project had been (silently) mothballed months before Hyperion took over, and it was a plain stupid idea from the start as AmigaOS allready ran with minimal chipset(emulation) as shown by both the Draco and Amithlon.

AFAIK the Draco has CIAs which allows him to use the standard versions of
timer.device, keyboard.device, gameport.device, cia.resource, parallel.device,
serial.device, trackdisk.device, disk.resource, misc.resource, potgo.resource,
realtime.library, graphics.library (and all which I forgot). Maybe it also
has a standard clock chip for battclock.resource and battmem.resource.

@Kronos

You're basicly saying that they should have known that Escena wouldn't be able to deliver beforehand. Well, they're human, they didn't. They aimed for a much shorter time to market and an ability to recoup some of their development costs as they progressed, they aimed for not having to remova all classic Amiga hardware dependencies before being able to make their first release of the new AmigaOS4. This strategy *required* the custom hardware solution by Escena. And, you have to remember, unlike other hardware options, this custom hardware solution would depend just as much on AmigaOS4. The Pegasos had MorphOS, the Mac Mini had MacOSX, etc. There were no other alternative OS options to be found for what would have been the AmigaOne based on the design by Escena.

So, having concluded that AmigaOS4 and the AmigaOne design by Escena did mutually depend on each other, atleast for the initial release of AmigaOS4 that would still require access to the classic Amiga chipsets, it made perfect sense to grant each other some degree of exclusivity in the contract. To now talk about how bad that decision was is just arrogance, IMO.

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@Dandy

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If the Eyetech/Hyperion contract would not have happened, AInc most likely would have followed their original plan to make MorphOS the new Amiga PPC OS and to get the new hardware from what is today Genesi.

It's the other way around, Dandy. Eyetech, Hyperion and Amiga Inc. partnered because the negotiations with bPlan for MorphOS as the next generation AmigaOS failed. It's not very likely that either party would return to the negotiations table had Hyperion and Eyetech never stepped up to the plate to save the day.

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