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AV wrote: @umisef Quote: So we pretty much know that the BCPL was all gone by 1994. Of course, its legacy lingers in the form of BPTR type pointers --- but as far as anyone here can tell, no BCPL code remained as of 1994. Ahem, BCPL was not "gone" in the sense that no BCPL lived in dos.library. As the part you quote explains, by 1994 the BCPL parts were still in dos.library, but as "resourced" ASM files. That's right, it's "just" a monstrous amount of assembly lines which were the output of the BCPL compiler. This makes it even more difficult to port to C than a plain BCPL source. Have you ever seen the ASM output of the BCPL compiler ?

Thats not what Randall said, and thats not what CATs said (as Joanna pointed out ot me). Do you have a legitimate source we should believe over Randall and CATS?
-Tig

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@Tigger

I rewrote some of the old dos asm code to portable C code. I have no idea if the asm code was resourced BCPL code or not and I didn't really bother to find out :)
However, I do know why certain things regarding pattern matching works correctly in AOS4 where it doesn't (or didn't) work correctly in AROS and MOS.
So, no, dos did not consist of portable C code once we got our hands on it.

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Stefan

@CodeSmith

he won't as his *company* doesn't generate this much. anyway i dont really care, I just dont think discreet has enough capital and big business know-how to take it to next level. Thsi isnt personal attack just my own opinion.

I just dosent understand why Amigans likes this? Why cant we as a Amiga community go out and say. We want order! Why cant we join forces and tell Amiga Inc and Hyperion to stop? I know this is bussinesmadness, but if we dont do anything, they will just go on and on...

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Now that you know that the parties involved claim that OS4 is worth well over a million dollars, are you still planning on making a bid for it?

It's worth what someone is prepared to pay for it.

I personally cannot see how OS4 is worth that much. Especially when 25k was considered fair by both parties at the time.

Without a substantial further investment in marketing and software development the Amiga is not going to get very far. The OS and the name on their own are not enough to progress to the next round.

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@AmiDelf2

I don't want it stop. I'd prefer it resolved and the truth out there - it's like burning the fields to let new shoots come through. Or something.

I want it to be clear who owns the OS, who gives out the licenses. When all is resolved I want them to keep us informed of what their plans are. A bit of transparency to replace the behind the scenes dealing and arguments about who hasn't paid who for what.

Till we get all those things I won't begin to change my mind about open-source being the way forward.

Chris

@Yabba

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However, I do know why certain things regarding pattern matching works correctly in AOS4 where it doesn't (or didn't) work correctly in AROS and MOS

Can you tell me the things? I would like to check.

@CodeSmith

Any serious bid for Amiga should be over a million dollars, we have been aware of that for some time.

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@DiscreetFX

OK. I was under the impression that you knew about the $25000 buy in price and wanted to beat that, so the much higher price may have changed your plans.

@AmiDelf2

That would be communism. I would want to see one company with deep pockets that wins this. If its A Inc then so be it. If its Hyperion then great. Neither has big pockets, which is why Amiga will still suffer the same fate its suffered since Commodores demise.
This is about the money and who owns licenses. Sorry, business is like that...

@-Sam-

Its worth what someone is willing to accept for it.

@Georg

I am sorry, but I don't remember what it was. It was probably one of those weird multi arguments of strings or something. Those can be very ambiguous.

rgds,
Stefan

@ChrisH

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P.S. Do *not* use Adobe Reader 8 to read these PDFs - it's memory usage sky-rockets, and 'kills' Windows with swap access (on my 1GB machine). I've just switched back to FoxItReader, and it's far better.

AmiPDF, works fine.

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Plaz wrote: @CodeSmith ... Quote: Bankruptcy is determined by a legal proceeding where such matters as ownership, responsibility, creditors, payments .... are determined by the courts. Amiga Inc. W was never declared insolvent by a bankruptcy court. Simply stating "We're broke" isn't the same as being legally bankrupt in the US. The creditors must sue to force a broke company in to bankruptcy. Then it is truely bankrupt. ...

If I got you right all I need to do is to sue AInc (1; Washington), because they didn't give me anything in return for my 50 Euros for the rebate coupon up to today - and then they get automatically declared insolvent/bankrupt by the court and in the same moment Hyperion owns Amiga OS (4)?

Well, if that's all that needs to be done...

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@Dandy

That would be a little bit too late. Anyway, feel free to sue a non-existing company.

@umisef

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umisef wrote: @CodeSmith Quote: They have spent over a million on OS4, I find this a rather bold claim. While it is, of course, perfectly possible that they have indeed spent all that money (on what, though?), I suspect this is "virtual" spending. A large part of that money is probably the accrued cost of the Friedens at E30k per month.

Hmmmmm - let me calculate:

5 years work for the twins = 60 months x 2 people = 120 months alltogether
1.000.000 $ / 120 months = 8333,3333333333333333333333$ per month

So I'd say your claim that the Friedens got "E30k per month" is rather far-fetched...

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@AmiDelf2

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AmiDelf2 wrote: I just dosent understand why Amigans likes this? Why cant we as a Amiga community go out and say. We want order! Why cant we join forces and tell Amiga Inc and Hyperion to stop? I know this is bussinesmadness, but if we dont do anything, they will just go on and on...

We want order? "Order" as in the situation from November 3, 2001, when AInc/Eyetech/Hyperion killed AmigaOS with their agreement and hardware licensing scheme, to this latest lawsuit over the very same thing? Anything would be better than that kind of order, IMO. AmigaOS is dead now, and we might as well sit down, watch the show, and either laugh at or cry over the tragedy that was started nearly 6 years ago. The details that are revealed are absolutely hilarious! And who knows, whichever vulture that walks out victorious from this, a radical change might actually make it possible to clean the slate and revive AmigaOS, though I suspect it's too late anyhow.

"If we don't do anything..."? Heh. They f-cked up everything they touched, and did their best to keep it in a f-cked up state. Now the vultures need help from the court to decide who has the right to keep f-cking things up, because they even managed to f-ck up fundamentals like "who owns what we're f-cking up?" Anyway, someone at am*gans.net has already started a petition to talk the vultures into quitting fighting and go back to f-cking everything up again -- as if they didn't talk to eachother before they decided to go to court, and that a few sectarian lunatics could change their minds now. Search am*gans.net for "petition" and you'll probably find it.

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Dandy wrote: @umisef Quote: umisef wrote: @CodeSmith [quote]They have spent over a million on OS4, I find this a rather bold claim. While it is, of course, perfectly possible that they have indeed spent all that money (on what, though?), I suspect this is "virtual" spending. A large part of that money is probably the accrued cost of the Friedens at E30k per month.

Hmmmmm - let me calculate:

5 years work for the twins = 60 months x 2 people = 120 months alltogether
1.000.000 $ / 120 months = 8333,3333333333333333333333$ per month

So I'd say your claim that the Friedens got "E30k per month" is rather far-fetched...
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Thats not a claim and nothing to argue about. Read the friedens contract with Hyperion.

@Seehund & all

So how about doing something "productive"? Like ... pushing this thread over the 1000 posts mark ;)

Tomorrow should be the hearing, shouldn't it?
Perhapes then there is something new to discuss, new truths to find, new quotes to twist, new persons to insult, as it is this what seems to be the most admireable thing to do as "true amigian".

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Dandy wrote: @umisef Hmmmmm - let me calculate: 5 years work for the twins = 60 months x 2 people = 120 months alltogether 1.000.000 $ / 120 months = 8333,3333333333333333333333$ per month So I'd say your claim that the Friedens got "E30k per month" is rather far-fetched...

Hmmmm, let me read the contract. E30K per month, hey I bet thats why people think that.
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