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Well, either that, or that they should have developed for the PPC hardware that did exist, like PPC macs for example, and without some form of cooperation with the hardware manufacturer, simply hope that the hardware is still up-to-date, available and supported by the time the OS is ready for release. With the example of PPC macs; we all know today that they would have hoped in vain.

And yet Yellow Dog Linux had no issues achieving this. As for the "in vain" bit, the OS was supposed to be ready back in '02.

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It's simply not a viable business plan.

And yet Terrasoft thrives enough to be still around and even have Yellow Dog Linux for PS3.

Go figure.

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@realize

AWESOME AVATAR, Amiga Unisphere!

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BTW wait until MOS 2.0 comes out and then there will be no question which is the best Amiga compatible os..

Can't wait to be able to run it on my EFIKA!

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realize wrote: @kgrach Kurt You and everyone else always seem to forget how Ainc snubbed the MOS guys and Olaf Barthel screwed over Ralph et al.... MOS should have been OS4 from the start and we would have avoided all these stupid petty arguments and wars and would have a nice Amiga Os. BTW wait until MOS 2.0 comes out and then there will be no question which is the best Amiga compatible os.. realize

There's no question now anyway, should have been Amithlon!

I don't think MOS would have made a 2.0 if they had had a contract with Amiga Inc, Ambient would have probably never been able to go opensource, and we might still be right where we are now with different people in court with Amiga.

What's the Olaf/Ralph disagreement? (That was before my time)

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@DiscreetFX

Sheesh, no kidding. The other day I was watching a documentary series on the early history of home computers on the science channel, and it was all Apple, Microsoft, IBM, SCP, Xerox, Killdall and the Visicalc guys. It's as if the dozens of other hardware and software companies that existed at the time never were. The irony is that they showed video of one of the early CES shows, where the image panned past an enormous Commodore sign before zooming to the much smaller Apple booth, and the voiceover guy just kept jabbering about how popular Apple was at the time. If I didn't know better I'd say that Apple was bribing journalists to make it look like they invented everything.

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MOS should have been OS4 from the start

Yes because the people behind it actually released products without resorting to selling faulty hardware without warranties at outrageous prices, Genesi actually gave loads of boards away to get fresh blood on the scene and they still deliver products at decent prices.

The trio to this day have failed to even remotely do the same and have shown themselves to be nothing more than a bunch of amateurs and have done more harm than good.

@samface

Speaking of broken records............

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@samface

To be more precise, having OS4 sold shrink-wrapped and with a well documented HAL-API does NOT mean:

- that HW-vendors can't ask Hyperion to adapt OS to their HW
- that OEM deals can't be struck


On the other side it would have made taking the OS hostage over the licence-issue (like it's obviously been done for the past 3 years) impossible.

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@realize

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BTW wait until MOS 2.0 comes out and then there will be no question which is the best Amiga compatible os..

What? Because it has a fancy accelerated GUI and an integrated TCP/IP stack? My current reasons for preferring OS4 have nothing to do with the graphics system itself, its more to do with the way that the OS itself is organised.

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organisation is the same and morphos has more old-amiga programs than os4 (mui, cgx, turboprint, poseidon). More amiga programs has nice skinnable muigui and morphos does run on classic amigas.

@realize

What quite some people dont realize seems to be that most dont need AmigaOS but simply want it, its a fun hobby, and morphos or whatever else is compatible, just isnt Amiga and thus of no interest. Besides this thread has nothing at all to do with mos, so lets stop being offtopic.

Oh you guys. What are you all getting so worked up about? Making new OS's is easy. While this thread has been going on, I've begun work on DruidOS. It's coming along great. It has this really cool thing where you type in a load of stuff and about ten minutes later (I'm a slow typer) you get "Hello World" flashing on screen.

Next week I hope to get it to scroll down the screen rather than stay in the middle because at the moment my monitor still shows the words when you switch it off. I recomend that anyone using DruidOS not to keep it on for more than 32 hours - no matter how impressive a flashing "Hello World" might look.

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While this thread has been going on, I've begun work on DruidOS. It's coming along great. It has this really cool thing where you type in a load of stuff and about ten minutes later (I'm a slow typer) you get "Hello World" flashing on screen.

I hope it's based on an 64-bit exokernel running on x86-64.

@hatschi

Well I thought I'd go for 128-bit since I don't think DruidOS will ship for a while. Perhaps I might even base it on 512-bit just to be on the safe side. How long do humans live for again? 600 years is it? If so, you'll most probably still be alive when it's finished.

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We are down 42 posts form the magical 1000 ! ! !

Go, go, go ! ! !

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We are down 42 posts form the magical 1000 ! ! ! Go, go, go ! ! !

Don't get too excited.
No one has announced yet, that there even a "1000" exists!
And I've heard there is a trial over the IP Possesion of 999. Until that's over I won't expect too much.

Just wait 2 more weeks and we will see

i have heard the tar and feather business in kent are booming.. so when will there be more news from the legal battle?....

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@SpaceDruid

Well worst case OS5 could run hosted on Yellow Dog Linux for PPC right? ;)

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@CodeSmith

OT, but we need to get past 999 post so....

I saw a documentary kind of like the one you saw, don't know
if it was the same. I think it was mostley about Atari.
And throughout the whole documentary they manage to not
mention Commodore or Amiga once.

Hilarious.

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@fairlanefastback

Yellow Dog Linux? That's UNIX, OSS and not comparable by any means. Besides, I never said it would not have been achievable, not once. What I said was that it was, and still is, no viable business plan to market a commercial OS for a third party hardware platform that is no longer manufactured. To survive such business strategy would be just pure luck and sure to fail in the long run.

BTW, what's Terrasoft's plan when their users grow tired of the old PPC macs, beg Apple to go back to PPC?

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@rzookol

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rzookol wrote: @xeron organisation is the same and morphos has more old-amiga programs than os4 (mui, cgx, turboprint, poseidon). More amiga programs has nice skinnable muigui and morphos does run on classic amigas.

But wasn't any more succesful in establishing about 1-1.5k users, in spite of the advantages you mention? Maybe MorphOS and AmigaOS4 have a common problem explaining the similar sales, maybe 3K users just happens to be the ceiling for proprietary hardware solutions for Amiga enthusiasts.

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