@Plaz
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AmigaOS abandonware??

Now that would be fun.

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@Ketzer

If you had any clue what you were talking about you wouldnt post some inane nonsense like that...

Ainc was considering MOS for OS4 - naturally as MOS was already in development for 2 years at that time. Not only this (and you are going to get your feelings hurt) but Pegasos1 almost got an "Amiga 1" license.

As far as Olaf goes i'm not at liberty to discuss this as I dont know alot about it and its not my place to do so.

I really really wish Ralph Schmidt would come out and make statements as he is very informed as to this whole affair with Ainc. Alas, he REFUSES to come to this site out of protest to the flagrant and baseless allegations about the legality of MOS (btw if its so illegal why MOS guys have never been sued? ) and other problems

Frank Mariak who is the father of Cybergrafx, and an Amiga hero could shed a lot of light as well..

Oh well... so is life

ps: Why in the world is ANYONE engaging a person like "Samface" after all his idiotic spamming and making an #### out of himself in the community?

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@realize

As far as I heard Amiga Inc. wanted full source code control and the MOS team said no way and that was the end of the discussions.

Very similar to what Amiga Inc. wants now with OS4 :)

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@realize

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btw if its so illegal why MOS guys have never been sued?

If Amiga Inc's first attempts are succesful, don't think it couldn't happen.

Plaz

@Plaz

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Will we find out the IP was never properly transfered from a now defunct company.... AmigaOS abandonware??

I would not be too shocked if this were the case. Remember, a couple of weeks ago Jens Schoenfeld was here complaining about the fact that Amiga Inc kept on jerking him around for a license to the classic OS for his Clone-A.

@Sneaky

Another report from Atheist2 here.

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@T_Bone

Thanks a lot! Saw it in another thraed already so I'm puzzled now as everybody who "Zornik" could be

What happens when this reaches #1000?
Does it blow away the board?

As interesting the topic is, I wonder if ever someone reads *all* what
has been written here...

@Shadowolf

Well ... I think I have read all ... woohaa ... sorry guys, have to check if my life is still there. Back in a minute

Just wanted to point out that Zornik did not say "I was in the court room", but rather "just got back from..". theoretically could have been outside. EG i might say "just got back from the doctor's", when it was my wife who was actually inside talking, while I waited in the car outside

From re-reading Zornik's irc , it seems reasonably clear that he is actually passing on info given to him from someone who was present : suggesting Zornik is BH and that he's been briefed by his lawyer (Kinsall?) on the proceedings. The actual account, although obviously biased in favour of Hyperion, matches quite closely what Atheist reports.

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@yoodoo2

Seems plausible, as Zornik never "Quotes" but merely discribes the situation or what has been done or said. Atheist2 was more into detail.

@Sneaky

Yeah, bit like comparing Luke's gospel to Mark's (one for Billsey there)

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Atheist2 post over at the bunny was a good read, its suff that this we need.... very intressting...

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@wegster

This isn't about what hardware you nor I want to be able to buy for running AmigaOS4, this is about what choice of hardware that would make most sense to market AmigaOS4 for.

Mac PPC hardware are no longer manufactured, the only way of getting such is by second hand, fairly used and most likely with no warranty what so ever. Sorry, your "proven reliable hardware"-argument doesn't cut it here. Now, even if PPC macs could provide for a few AmigaOS4 sales to the fragment of Mac PPC hardware owners that happen to also be interested in the Amiga and willing to spend about $100 on AmigaOS4, it's still not very realistic to think of it as *the* platform for AmigaOS4, even in the short run.

As for the PS3, it would probably have to be some sort of "inofficial" version of AmigaOS4 to run on it since it would most likely be neccessary to break a copy protection mechanism or two just to get it to boot. Anyone who has ever tried to run backups of their PS2 games from a PS2 harddrive knows what I'm talking about. Do I need to explain why the PS3, even if perfectly doable from a technical standpoint, doesn't make a suitable platform for AmigaOS4?

About your "double dipping" theory, you're just displaying your ignorance here. First of all, anyone wanting to make use of Amiga Inc's intellectual properties for commercial purposes will of course have to pay a license fee, hardware manufacturers and software developers alike. That's the kind of business you do with intellectual properties you paid millions of dollars for. If a hardware manufacturer don't want to pay a license fee to Amiga Inc., all they have to do is not label any of their products by any of Amiga Inc.'s brands nor sign any of Amiga Inc.'s licensing schemes.

Secondly, it is NOT neccessary for a hardware manufacturer to make use of any intellectual properties belonging to Amiga Inc. nor sign any license agreements with Amiga Inc. in order to get AmigaOS4 to support their hardware. Any incentive for Amiga Inc. to add support on their own initiative will do. Like so many seem to forget sometimes, Amiga Inc. are NOT bound by their own licensing terms and it doesn't make any sense to assume that they would let such thing be reason enough to restrict the hardware compatibility of AmigaOS4.

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@Kronos

How would you expect AmigaOS4 to have been developed in the first place if not with a license agreement with Amiga Inc.?

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samface wrote: @wegster This isn't about what hardware you nor I want to be able to buy for running AmigaOS4, this is about what choice of hardware that would make most sense to market AmigaOS4 for.

The only way anyone's going to ever break the 3000 user ceiling post-trial, is tor who ever to get it into their head that the two above should be identical.

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As for the PS3, it would probably have to be some sort of "inofficial" version of AmigaOS4 to run on it since it would most likely be neccessary to break a copy protection mechanism or two just to get it to boot. Anyone who has ever tried to run backups of their PS2 games from a PS2 harddrive knows what I'm talking about. Do I need to explain why the PS3, even if perfectly doable from a technical standpoint, doesn't make a suitable platform for AmigaOS4?

Please do.

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@T_Bone

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T_Bone wrote: @samface Quote: samface wrote: @wegster This isn't about what hardware you nor I want to be able to buy for running AmigaOS4, this is about what choice of hardware that would make most sense to market AmigaOS4 for. The only way anyone's going to ever break the 3000 user ceiling post-trial, is tor who ever to get it into their head that the two above should be identical.

I'll drink to that! :)

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@all

Wow, over 1000 posts and this thread hasn't been locked!

Usually threads eventually degrade and get locked long before the 1000 post mark. Is this an AW.net record?

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@fairlanefastback

I have not changed my arguments in my discussion with Seehund over the years. I've basicly repeated the same arguments over and over, that I have more facts to back it up now due to recent events is just a nice bonus.

And then, what so many seem to forget when they talk about examples of platforms where Linux runs so easily is that Linux has a source code that is not just open but also not tied to any hardware architecture in specific and the most common chipsets already supported by the kernel.

At the time of when the license agreement between Amiga Inc., Eyetech and Hyperion was signed, the idea was to get a new version of the AmigaOS and new Amiga hardware out as soon as possible. Just make the OS run on PPC, not even as a clean port but mostly emulated, and not remove the classic Amiga chipset dependencies until later versions. This was supposed to be made possible with a hardware design from Escena for a board that would be connected to an old A1200/A4000 motherboard for access to the classic Amiga chipsets.

So, it was not until Hyperion removed the classic Amiga chipset dependencies that it was even possible to consider other PPC alternatives such as the PPC mac. However, with the efforts behind the design of the Escena board in mind, Eyetech were given a certain degree of exlusivity in their agreement with Amiga Inc. and could not be simply abandoned despite Escena's failure to deliver, atleast not right away.

Once Eyetech was out of the game, well... I guess that was about the time Apple switched to x86.

As you can tell by putting all relevant parts of the story on the timeline, the PPC mac never was an option until it was too late.

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@T_Bone

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T_Bone wrote: @samface Quote: samface wrote: @wegster This isn't about what hardware you nor I want to be able to buy for running AmigaOS4, this is about what choice of hardware that would make most sense to market AmigaOS4 for. The only way anyone's going to ever break the 3000 user ceiling post-trial, is tor who ever to get it into their head that the two above should be identical.

It will become identical the day we all have the same preference for the hardware we want to buy.

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Quote: As for the PS3, it would probably have to be some sort of "inofficial" version of AmigaOS4 to run on it since it would most likely be neccessary to break a copy protection mechanism or two just to get it to boot. Anyone who has ever tried to run backups of their PS2 games from a PS2 harddrive knows what I'm talking about. Do I need to explain why the PS3, even if perfectly doable from a technical standpoint, doesn't make a suitable platform for AmigaOS4? Please do.

Well... sorry, I'm too annoyed by the hours of time I've spent on trying to get HDLoader (an application for launching PS2 games from harddrive) to work on my mod free PS2 using an exploit that involvs a hot swap disc, a ps1 game disc, a memory card, an ethernet adapter with an IDE interface and of course a hard disk to even begin explaining. Let's just say that Sony doesn't like you to put whatever you want on your harddrive in their console, much less that you would be able to boot from it. Sure, I can get Linux for it, but for that I would need an official "Linux kit" from Sony. Do you follow me yet?

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