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Re: Has any developer received the dev board from ack? Posted on 3-Jun-2007 21:17:22
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. We need one single focus point to direct our anger and frustrations. With all the latest info from the court case messing with our heads and suggesting that Amiga Inc isn't the great evil so many have suggested and Hyperion are not the great saviours we had hoped - things have turned really screwy round here.
Can't we all just figure out who the hate figure really is?
I suggest we blame Tony Blair for everything. He's going soon so it shouldn't matter which side of the political spectrum you follow and he has the same smarmy language skills of Bill Buck, the broken promise history of Hyperion and the turning on his own kind mentality of Bill McEwan. He'd be a great hate figure.
Lets all hate Tony Blair for a greater tommorrow! _________________ "Anyone with a modicum of reasonableness may realize that it is like comparing the ride in the world to descend the stairs to catch the milk in the house."
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Re: Has any developer received the dev board from ack? Posted on 3-Jun-2007 21:30:28
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Indeedy - only a few more weeks to go. Must get the champagne on ice, and order some bunting.
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Re: Has any developer received the dev board from ack? Posted on 3-Jun-2007 22:24:45
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Re: Has any developer received the dev board from ack? Posted on 3-Jun-2007 23:04:58
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| One silly question... With a partnership and a joint announcement with Amiga and given the current legal situation, does Adam have legal access to OS4 sources for his boards? I mean, even if he had the dev boards ready, what could developers develop with no access to the OS4 sources?
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Re: Has any developer received the dev board from ack? Posted on 3-Jun-2007 23:08:51
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osnews isnt a news site, as they are not impartial, and you can see the sarcasm/bias dripping off the 'news' items.
they described original log of people asking ACK questions as '(ACK) held an IRC session' which is rubbish as i already said.
next is 'promised to release the first developer boards mid May' when the log they quote is 'Developer systems will be ready to ship to the select devs mid May'ish.' (notice the ish part) and that never seemed like definitive date to me, and as i said above he already said weeks back that they have been put back.
finally is the 'No photos' jibe, when the log they point to AGAIN shows them being wrong when ACK says 'No, I'm going to keep everyone hanging right up until the time is right'.
its one thing checking sources for a news article, but when you dont check what your article links to its just unforgivable. _________________
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Re: Has any developer received the dev board from ack? Posted on 3-Jun-2007 23:10:06
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other developers would not need access to the OS4 sources for any work they would do. so it isnt a problem. _________________
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Re: Has any developer received the dev board from ack? Posted on 3-Jun-2007 23:33:50
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Awwh! can't we blame Amiga Inc, just a little?
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Re: Has any developer received the dev board from ack? Posted on 4-Jun-2007 0:12:56
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With all the latest info from the court case messing with our heads and suggesting that Amiga Inc isn't the great evil so many have suggested and Hyperion are not the great saviours we had hoped - things have turned really screwy round here. |
How do you account for Amiga messing Jens Schoenfeld around you cannot attribute Amiga's failure to close that potentially lucrative deal to Hyperion hanging on to the OS4 sources.
You're certainly right about things being screwy round here, but I don't think it's a particularly recent trend though.Last edited by Rob on 04-Jun-2007 at 12:14 AM.
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Re: Has any developer received the dev board from ack? Posted on 4-Jun-2007 3:09:31
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I would prefer to buy hardware with Linux and in the future (a true promise of) OS4 than no hardware at all.
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The biggest issue is that it takes extra manpower to support customers with Linux. The release of the AmigaOne with Linux at the beginning added extra work that detracted from the main goal. Customers will view this as lack of support, even when it is clearly stated that you will receive little support regarding Linux.
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Hello Adam,
You seem to be participating extremely selectively. This can be understood to a degree with the lawsuit, but as pointed out almost all the announcements thus-far have been post lawsuit filing, so its hard to understand why we have silence now on the issue in the title of this thread. Its also evident you are reading this thread occasionally since you will answer some of the postings, so for the benefit of your customer base I publicly ask you here, is it true developer board releases have been delayed, and if so until when do you anticipate?
Thanks!
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Re: Has any developer received the dev board from ack? Posted on 4-Jun-2007 3:40:12
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i believe what most people dont realise, and this is not a go at you scabit, is that ACk has never had an official irc question and answer session. it is more he is online and people ask him questions. as he isnt a complete #### (IMHO anyways heh) he answers them as best he can.
Adam is a victim of being too nice, as if he never said anything the general public would be none the wiser, and find someone else to abuse. i mean, there is always amiga.inc isnt there? |
If he mis-spoke let him clarify.
Official Q&A, "non-official"(?) Q&A, whatever. He should be well aware from the whole Powervixxen thing, let alone in general that communication is key to the community. Its pretty simple, if you mis-spoke say it. If you didn't but circumstances have changed delaying it than say that.
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osnews isnt a news site, as they are not impartial, and you can see the sarcasm/bias dripping off the 'news' items. |
Whether you think OSNews.com is a real news site or not this is not good for our community to be laughing stocks over and over with a news item on this now on a site made for more general consumption. Last edited by fairlanefastback on 04-Jun-2007 at 03:42 AM.
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Re: Has any developer received the dev board from ack? Posted on 4-Jun-2007 3:48:37
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Oh, come on. OSNews is an OSS portal, which means that anything that isn't Linux is suspect and anything closed source is downright evil. AmigaOS, to them, is a glimpse of what will eventually happen to all closed source software. They're not laughing, they're leering.
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Re: Has any developer received the dev board from ack? Posted on 4-Jun-2007 4:26:13
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CodeSmith wrote: @fairlanefastback
Oh, come on. OSNews is an OSS portal, which means that anything that isn't Linux is suspect and anything closed source is downright evil. AmigaOS, to them, is a glimpse of what will eventually happen to all closed source software. They're not laughing, they're leering.
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They don't seem to leer at MorphOS in blurbs on that OS I have read there (not that I have read them all I am sure). But that unto itself makes me think you may be exaggerating a bit there (not saying intentionally). Regardless, its not good that the ACK delay news is spreading on a site like that. Amiga and ACK made press releases for good publicity, not bad. All the more reason this is better cleared up quickly._________________ Pegasos2 G3 running AOS 4.1 and MorphOS 2.0 Amikit user, tinkering with Icaros VM (AROS) EFIKA owner Amiga 1200 |
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Re: Has any developer received the dev board from ack? Posted on 4-Jun-2007 4:38:23
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Interesting. I just went to osnews and searched for "morphos". I clicked on the most recent "big" event, which was the MOS 2.0 release, and scanned through the comments. There was not one single negative comment. Then I searched for "OS4" and clicked on the most recent non lawsuit related story, "Amiga OS4 Finds New Hardware Partner". The vast majority of the comments were derisive in nature, from Duke Nuke Forever comparisons to reminding everyone of all the allegedly illegal actions of the past.
I think I need to revise my theory, based on this evidence. I used to think the bias against amiga related news was OSS advocacy like one finds on slashdot. However, it seems more like osnews has a filter function going on when it comes to OS4 and MOS, where only the bad things about OS4, Amiga Inc and Hyperion are mentioned and only the good things regarding MOS and Genesi count. I don't see any reason why this latest story, complete with cute "pigs will fly" reference, is any different. OS "news" my ####.
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Re: Has any developer received the dev board from ack? Posted on 4-Jun-2007 6:22:36
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What a load of rubbish! I'm been reading OSNews for some time now and the articles they post are short and to the point, they rarely have bias. (I don't read the comments, that is something different).
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they described original log of people asking ACK questions as '(ACK) held an IRC session' which is rubbish as i already said. |
ACK goes on IRC, answers questions : how is that not an "IRC session" ?
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its one thing checking sources for a news article, but when you dont check what your article links to its just unforgivable. |
They are not an Amiga news website, they report on what is in the news. You can't expect them to get all the tiny details right. Paraphrasing what other people have said is necessary when you are summarising.
ACK has made a number of rather bold/questionable statements, many of which are bound to draw scepticism, e.g. "dev boards ready in a few weeks", "faster than a dual G5 mac", "legal proceedings nothing to do with me", "shipping motherboards only is bad", "supporting linux wastes time". It's no surprise people want to get answers.
Either ACK is going to show a board (pictures/presentation at a show), get testimony from developers who received a board; i.e. basically show that something has been delivered OR he's going to have to answer some of these questions. IF he doesn't do either then no one will believe him, except the most crazed want-it-to-be-true fans.
The fact that there are all these questions does not bode well; especially so when it is reported on other websites even if you do not trust them. koan |
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Re: Has any developer received the dev board from ack? Posted on 4-Jun-2007 6:24:09
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They're not laughing, they're leering |
Is that why they cover Zeta/Haiku and Solaris ?
I think you're confused with slashdot.
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Re: Has any developer received the dev board from ack? Posted on 4-Jun-2007 8:48:20
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Reality is a b*tch, ain't it?
Look, I know you are furstrated that ACK appears to be messing up here, but that is NO reason to take it out on OSNews. I'm just doing my job, and that is reporting the news. The fact that you don't like it that your OS is getting negative attention is not something you should take out on me - you ought to be taking it out on Adam and ACK. THEY have been breaking promises here, NOT me.
Oh, and I really have no idea what "OSS" has to do with all this nonsense. It's always funny to see how every community crucifies OSNews for being anti-{insert project name}. Just a few days ago, I have been crucified for being anti-OSS and anti-GPL, and now you come in here, crucifying me for being only pro-OSS!
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Re: Has any developer received the dev board from ack? Posted on 4-Jun-2007 9:33:04
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Re: Has any developer received the dev board from ack? Posted on 4-Jun-2007 10:08:35
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Tony Blair, Tony Blair.
Tune your anger towards him..
He also kills puppys.
Seriously though, since nobody has come forward with the answer to the origional question, I think it's safe to assume the answer is "not yet". So why are we all trolling now?
If somebody wishes to start threads called;
"Why I hate ack" "Why I hate OS News" "Why I love MorphOS and want to smear it all over my body as I give myself to it utterly"
or any other topic which has reared it's biased face then please do so on another thread. _________________ "Anyone with a modicum of reasonableness may realize that it is like comparing the ride in the world to descend the stairs to catch the milk in the house."
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Re: Has any developer received the dev board from ack? Posted on 4-Jun-2007 10:43:49
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Why would developer boards be shipping? Amiga does not yet have OS4 in their possession. And since the ACK machines are commissioned by Amiga to run OS4, it would be stupid to proceed any further until the OS is secured. |
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Re: Has any developer received the dev board from ack? Posted on 4-Jun-2007 11:14:46
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And since the ACK machines are commissioned by Amiga to run OS4 |
I haven't seen a single word about it in any of the official announcements. |
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