@jorkany

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Rogue made it clear that they couldn't port without the documentation, which he said was impossible to get ahold of - ergo, a port of OS4 was not possible.

Rogue affirmed their unwillingness to do the port without the documentation, not that they could not. There's a difference. Moreover, in my previous post I also show a crystal clear quote from Rogue's mouth that states that the port is possible.

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You even go on to perpetrate the lie that Mac documentation cannot be obtained:Quote: In fact, this started billt's initiative/challenge to get as much documentation as possible about the Macs - an initiative that AFAIK did not get much response from whiners.

I'm not perpetrating anything: I never, ever, said a word about how difficult is getting Macs documentation, including the line you quoted, which was instead intended to support the "unwillingness" point.

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@stew

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http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=20725&forum=14&start=40&viewmode=flat&order=0#328782 Look at the date. I guess they got a license real fast.

In fact, they got no license.
In fact, ACube was talking to Amiga, Inc. precisely to get the license.
In fact, Hyperion/ACube never sold or even just marketed AOS4 for the Mac.
So, your point is... ?

saimo

edit: grammar mistake

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@saimo

No one thought it was impossible given enough time and $$$. Rogue made it clear the documentation argument (after it was shown that alot of it was available) made no difference, as they were going to refuse to do it without a license. Did they get one? They became willing, something changed their mind, or were they working on it while they said they would not?

@stew

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Look at the date. I guess they got a license real fast.

Who got the license? Hyperion, ACube. The former could not because of breaking the contrat by doing so. The latter did with the help of some italian OS4.0 developer. But they didn't complete the work, so noone knows if it runs real or if it just pretends to run. (And it is on hold at the moment)

@all

For me it makes at the point we stay at the moment, no sense to code for "old obsolete" HW where only a very litle bunch of people ever would buy that HW.

It is more to settle down this lawsuite as soon as possible so that the involved Companies could start again with. And I hope for my part that Hyperion will be the winner, becau??~s I have nomore any confidence in Amiga Inc. that they will gain the track again, after screwing up the comunity for over six years by now.

(sorry for beeing a little bit offtopic, but it had to be said)

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@stew

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No one thought it was impossible given enough time and $$$.

I'm not among those who said "impossible". So?

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Rogue made it clear the documentation argument (after it was shown that alot of it was available) made no difference, as they were going to refuse to do it without a license.

And isn't this perfectly reasonable?
That said, just out of curiosity, where has been "shown that alot of it was available"?

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Did they get one?

No (see my previous post).

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They became willing, something changed their mind, or were they working on it while they said they would not?

You are ignoring a central point: ACube has been working on the project, not Rogue/Hyperion. It makes a big difference when it comes to deciding whether Rogue lied (again, see my previous post).

saimo

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@stew

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They became willing, something changed their mind, or were they working on it while they said they would not?

Have you read the new court documents? ACube never said that Hyperion did the coding, no, they said that it was done by italian os4 developers. And they contacted Amiga Inc for a license.

Markus

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@stew

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stew wrote: @saimo http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=20725&forum=14&start=40&viewmode=flat&order=0#328782 Look at the date. I guess they got a license real fast.

The license is for *selling* the OS4 port, not for creating it. There's no indication they ever got a license, and now it's pretty obvious they're never going to either - either they'll win the case and not need it, or lose the case and end up in Amiga Inc's sh*t list together with Bill Buck.

@saimo

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I'm pretty sure that those many times amount to zero. Rogue made it very clear that, licensing issues aside, they were not willing to do a port without proper documentation (who knows what SW development is like, understands the underlying reasons), not that it was impossible.

Indeed this is the case.
The (unfinished) MacMini port was done using the sourcecode from Linux,BSD and Darwin as reference (not a single line of code was copied).
And it wasn't a pretty experience.
The Friedens said it was an hell to do because they knew what the situation was.

@AV

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Indeed this is the case. The (unfinished) MacMini port was done using the sourcecode from Linux,BSD and Darwin as reference (not a single line of code was copied). And it wasn't a pretty experience.

Somehow, I have no trouble believing you

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The Friedens said it was an hell to do because they knew what the situation was.

Yes, I perfectly remember Rogue saying that Linux sources would not cut it.

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Exhibit Q, p27

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None other then AHT who ended using the probably illegal AmigaOS derivative AROS. Evert, Hyperion

My, my... aren't we nice or what?

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@pixie

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pixie wrote: Exhibit Q, p27 Quote: None other then AHT who ended using the probably illegal AmigaOS derivative AROS. Evert, Hyperion My, my... aren't we nice or what?

Not everyone in this so called community is a troll you know, AmigaInc said much worser things about AROS in the past.

I wonder why AROS changed their name to not include the Amiga name anymore , oh wait i know

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@madtrekker

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It certainly never sounded like a viable future path for Amiga OS, since even when PPC Macs were still in production it would be a little odd to have to buy a competing OS to be able to run OS4,

Isn't it funny --- all the explanations of how x86 would be the death of things, because people could choose to buy and run a different OS, and now someone apparently went and did (most of) the work for a platform where people must buy a different OS with the hardware...

@jack

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with all the respect, Macs aren't that common

With all due respect --- neither are people wanting to run AmigaOS 4.

In fact, while the Mac Mini has its very own ebay category, the closest anthing comes to Amiga is
PC & Video Games--Commodore--Systems.

I guess this proves that Helgis was not lying like many of you people thought. I myself saw it with my own eyes that McEwen claimed that they were having some good progress on getting OS4 running on imacs and that this effort would soon mean the end to the hardware drought.

@umisef

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umisef wrote: @jack Quote: with all the respect, Macs aren't that common With all due respect --- neither are people wanting to run AmigaOS 4. In fact, while the Mac Mini has its very own ebay category, the closest anthing comes to Amiga is PC & Video Games--Commodore--Systems.

At our biggest auction site the Amiga/commodore section is actually one of the more active ones and actually used to be more active than the mac one until apple moved to intel and mini mac started getting popular. link:
qxl auction

@Toaks

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I wonder why AROS changed their name to not include the Amiga name anymore , oh wait i know

It's up to AROS team, but I seriously doubt that Amiga Inc could present a case when they had in the past contacted AROS and never had referred anything.

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@MacMini's

I've looked this over and I'm confused.

OS4 for MacMini would be an option with new hardware also available. NOT the only option. Geesh!

Why would MacMini be dead hardware? There's an elaborate maintenance, warranty and upgrade paths for ACK, ACube etc? LOL! If it runs and somebody wants to put OS4 on it... um, why not?

There's thousands of them in the kid's room or closet ready to be exploited!

I think it'd be a GREAT way to get OS4 exposure and sales. Errrum if it isn't all bullshizeh.

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@_PAB_

Not surprising, A welcome move as it has a good user base and the rest is PPC & looks good,
can carry it around for AMIGA OS Demo.

2Million is 80 x 25,000 so who cares if AOS is worth 2billion, people build products under contracts
like PS3 that after all its sales will reach Billions of Dollars but the contractors never see
the millions let alone more, so settle and let Pease Enter The AMIGA space.

Thanks

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@stew

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So we were lied to. Not really all that suprising.

By whom? I never saw Acube deny they were working on porting OS4 to MacMini. Looks like Hyperion were not involved with this porting. They said that it could be done, but they they would not do it, and why.

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@saimo

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You even go on to perpetrate the lie that Mac documentation cannot be obtained Quote: In fact, this started billt's initiative/challenge to get as much documentation as possible about the Macs - an initiative that AFAIK did not get much response from whiners.

As far as I know, I posted everything except for one comment to the Amiga Mac wiki site. That one comment from someone else was off-topic about PS3 stuff, and had nothing to do with Mac hardware.

ACK mentioned a bit ago in one of the irc logs or something I saw here that there was something trying to be done with a particular Mac Mini motherboard, is this that project?

Man, I wish this had happened. I also wish we could hear about some secret ibook project in all this... :p

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