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hatschi 
Re: ACK developer boards, we are near the one month late time period
Posted on 8-Jul-2007 11:11:57
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@linnar

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And now we wait Amiga Inc win in the court!


Who is "we"?

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However, can You ship the new computer with OS 4.0 before the court is over?


How could he, without full rights to the OS4 sources (Hyperion, Friedens and 3rd party developers)?

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I'm sorry the bad word the community write about You.


What would you do if you were in Ivan's, AmigaAbattoir's or Jens shoes? Praise him for keeping your money, not returning your hardware, not paying you, or giving lame excuses? "Bad words" is the wrong term here, just let the facts speak for themselves.

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linnar 
Re: ACK developer boards, we are near the one month late time period
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@hatschi

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@linnar

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And now we wait Amiga Inc win in the court!


Who is "we"?


All of us in the community!

If Hyperion win the case The Amiga is history!

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Re: ACK developer boards, we are near the one month late time period
Posted on 8-Jul-2007 11:55:56
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@linnar

Well, and if AInc wins the case AmigaOS is history .....

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Re: ACK developer boards, we are near the one month late time period
Posted on 8-Jul-2007 12:10:59
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@Kronos

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Well, and if AInc wins the case AmigaOS is history .....


No, I don't think so.
I don't think Pentti (and other) spend money if the plans is to don't go forward
with Amiga. I think Pentti have a big plans for the seek engine and
Amiga.

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Re: ACK developer boards, we are near the one month late time period
Posted on 8-Jul-2007 12:18:42
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@linnar

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All of us in the community!
If Hyperion win the case The Amiga is history!


Then you are mistaken. I'd even wager to say that the majority of the "community" hopes for Hyperion to win the lawsuit. Have a look at the sentiment expressed in recent polls.

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linnar 
Re: ACK developer boards, we are near the one month late time period
Posted on 8-Jul-2007 13:05:10
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@hatschi

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hatschi wrote:
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All of us in the community!
If Hyperion win the case The Amiga is history!


Then you are mistaken. I'd even wager to say that the majority of the "community" hopes for Hyperion to win the lawsuit. Have a look at the sentiment expressed in recent polls.


I now that (and it's very funny), but the community is a very small market, no computersystembuilder can live at that.

The Amiga community often forget the community is a very, very small.


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Re: ACK developer boards, we are near the one month late time period
Posted on 8-Jul-2007 13:49:47
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@linnar

I think Pentti only wants OS4 back at Amiga so he can sell it off and forget the whole thing. The ACK announcement and Kent stadium deal were only there to falsely raise the price of Amiga Inc. Now that the case against Hyperion is a little trickier than they expected the other deals are starting to backfire on Amiga Inc.

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Posted on 8-Jul-2007 15:00:35
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@ackcontrls

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@kirka and everyone,
A bunch of stuff is getting shipped out this week:


This is great news!


What were the main problems?

Was it training issues or insubordination with the Elves

or

Was it a shipping/transport issue. Did you manage to talk Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer and his team into working all year round?

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Re: ACK developer boards, we are near the one month late time period
Posted on 8-Jul-2007 15:26:09
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I think Pentti only wants OS4 back at Amiga so he can sell it off and forget the whole thing. The ACK announcement and Kent stadium deal were only there to falsely raise the price of Amiga Inc. Now that the case against Hyperion is a little trickier than they expected the other deals are starting to backfire on Amiga Inc.


Everything can happen in the mind.

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Re: ACK developer boards, we are near the one month late time period
Posted on 8-Jul-2007 18:32:43
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@linnar
Why are you so against Hyperion? They are the one who wanted OS4 to continue, they are the one who has developed it so far. How could them controlling OS4, and licensing it to ACube/etc be bad?

OTOH, what Amiga Inc wants for OS4 is unknown. It looks like they *may* want it as an 'mini laptop' (think Nokia N800). The current deal with ACK seems like a last-minute thing, to make them look better to the courts - maybe they are serious about the desktop market, but who knows? Frankly both Amiga Inc's & ACK's past history does not inspire confidence, whatever their plans.

Overall, I'd prefer Hyperion to win, since they seem the better bet. If Amiga Inc win, it may be good, or it may be bad, and I'd prefer not to risk finding that out.

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Re: ACK developer boards, we are near the one month late time period
Posted on 8-Jul-2007 19:15:28
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I think this thread already achieved one goal when ACK chose to reply here. Thanks all, ACK included, for that. I look forward to future updates from ACK as well as those affected so we can follow whatever progress takes place.

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Re: ACK developer boards, we are near the one month late time period
Posted on 8-Jul-2007 19:55:58
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@hatschi

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hatschi wrote:
@linnar

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All of us in the community!
If Hyperion win the case The Amiga is history!


Then you are mistaken. I'd even wager to say that the majority of the "community" hopes for Hyperion to win the lawsuit. Have a look at the sentiment expressed in recent polls.


How can you say what the majority want when the majority never even post or voice their opinion on anything here? Or do you mean to say the "perceived majority"?

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hatschi 
Re: ACK developer boards, we are near the one month late time period
Posted on 8-Jul-2007 20:12:19
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How can you say what the majority want when the majority never even post or voice their opinion on anything here? Or do you mean to say the "perceived majority"?


Of course I was talking about the Amiga community as perceived from this website, e.g. in polls or in forum discussions.
It was in response to linnar, who said that "**we** wait Amiga Inc win in the court!"
This gave the impression that most, if not all, people would support Amiga Inc in the lawsuit, although this is simply not the case.

However I do think that the general opinion is not much different outside of this community, so maybe it's even representative.

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Re: ACK developer boards, we are near the one month late time period
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@ChrisH

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Why are you so against Hyperion?.


Because Hyperion try to steal the OS.

If may friend repair my car ad after he don't
giv it back. I don't like that.

Amiga Inc all step before this is never mind.
The step now and in the nearly future is the important.

Amiga Inc is going to turning!

Don't forget that all company's turning's more than one time
in the life.

I think Amiga Inc lost money and to make new money the move
focus on other thing. But the don't forget the root's and now
the have money again and turning focus to the root's.

(I hope You understand my very bad Eng. )

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Posted on 8-Jul-2007 20:20:35
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I hope kirka & others have wrote down the serial numbers of their boards.
would be the first thing I would check, should the boards really get back to
their owners..

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hatschi 
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Posted on 8-Jul-2007 20:38:38
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@linnar

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If may friend repair my car ad after he don't giv it back. I don't like that.


But ACK -who has done exactly that- get's your support, right? Why the double standards?

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I think Amiga Inc lost money and to make new money the move focus on other thing.


Make new money by expensive lawsuits that cost more than they can probably ever gain through selling OS4 to a tiny bunch of hardcore fanatics? Right...

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But the don't forget the root's and now the have money again and turning focus to the root's.


"Focus to the roots" as in investing millions (yet to be seen) in naming rights for an event center? And who is "they"? Believe me, investors like Kouri give sh*t about things like the "Amiga roots".

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@linnar who said Quote:
Because Hyperion try to steal the OS.

I think you'll find that a lot of people disagree with such a crude & simplistic summary of the situation. The reality is that both Amiga Inc (#1) & Hyperion entered into this in good faith, they both signed a bad contract, they both made mistakes that cost OS4's development time, they both ran low on cash, they both made some bad decisions, and now they both make underhand legal manouvers for full control of OS4.

And really, I don't care *who* kicked sand in the other's face first. What I do care about is the future of OS4. And IMHO, on know facts, there is more uncertainty about OS4 if Amiga Inc wins (*), so I prefer Hyperion. That doesn't mean I think Amiga Inc are evil !


(* = Amiga Inc #1 (RIP) was always keen on AmigaDE/AmigaAnywhere, and got rid of AmigaOS as fast as it could. In 2003 they sold all rights to Itec, and then KMOS, who changed their name to Amiga Inc (#2). And their their actions seem to show more interest in OS4. But the same people are running both Amiga Inc #1 & #2, so who knows? By contrast, Hyperion has always been interested in OS4.)

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Sigh, what a mess overall (outside ACK as well)... wake me up when there are sub-$500 ACK boards to order by September 15th.

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stew 
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Posted on 8-Jul-2007 21:31:10
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@ChrisH

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ChrisH wrote:
@linnar
Why are you so against Hyperion? They are the one who wanted OS4 to continue, they are the one who has developed it so far. How could them controlling OS4, and licensing it to ACube/etc be bad?

OTOH, what Amiga Inc wants for OS4 is unknown. It looks like they *may* want it as an 'mini laptop' (think Nokia N800). The current deal with ACK seems like a last-minute thing, to make them look better to the courts - maybe they are serious about the desktop market, but who knows? Frankly both Amiga Inc's & ACK's past history does not inspire confidence, whatever their plans.

Overall, I'd prefer Hyperion to win, since they seem the better bet. If Amiga Inc win, it may be good, or it may be bad, and I'd prefer not to risk finding that out.


Not that I am a fan of AInc considering the history I find this Ben Hermans quote apt:
"Besides, if you paid 5 million dollars for something, would you accept other people running off with your IP without putting up a fight? "

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@ChrisH

OK, I speculate like many other.
But the most important for me and maybe other is that
the name of OS4 must have forename "AMIGA".
It's not god for the market if Hyperion take over the name "Amiga" in the cort.

The computer:
-With the name "Hyperioan OS 4,0" can't sell to the World market and I don't own one with this name.
-With the name "Amiga OS 4,0" come to sell much mor computers and I buy one.

And the computer must be a real complet computer with Amiga-like-design.
ACK (Adam) say it's the only way for him.

All other "computer" is a motherboards. Amiga with only a motherboard is not
Amiga. It's maybe a part of Amiga.

The best, morally, for us all is if one of them by the other!
Hyperion and Amiga is a very strong part together, Bill McEwen own the Amiga
history and Hyperion build the best OS in the World.


stew:
God post!


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