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As this thread is growing way to big, again, it's close to locking time. Just about now...

Feel free to restart a new one, but as with this one it will be taken of the front page.


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Coninued here by BrianK.

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@MikeB

Well, FoxNews are not well-regarded here...

@ BrianK

Interesting, apparently the guy with his dusty PS3 is a professional actor:

Taken from NeoGAF:

"Redi Godshaw, the kid with the unusually dusty PS3, is a professional actor and has been paid to act on FOX shows before.

He goes on FOX news, with a horrendously dusty PS3, and it is never mentioned either that A.) He is a professional actor, or B.) His PS3 was far beyond normal levels of 'dusty'.

It just seems to me that FOX didn't provide 'fair and balanced' views of a problem with a foreign electronics manufacturer.

Gaf's thoughts?

Reid Godshaw: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1463597/
FOX news clip: http://www.gametrailers.com/player/u...es/132329.html"

@MikeB

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MikeB wrote: @BrianK Those are old October figures reported by NPD some time ago. Meanwhile in November the 40 GB PS3 has been introduced in the States, which has significantly driven up sales according to Sony.

Yes, Sony claims an extra 30k - 40k a week...
...but that only an extra 120k-160k at the end of the month and won't be enough to get out of the cellar...
...the bigger question is - can it sustain that increase?


Edit: damn I own the 1st post of many pages in this thread...

Extra edit: from Kotaku.com
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Assassin's Creed does the double, Call of Duty 4 does the double, and Mario Galaxy makes an appearance near the top after only two days on sale. Well played, little man. 1) Assassin's Creed (360) 2) Call of Duty 4 (360) 3) Super Mario Galaxy 4) Brain Training 5) Assassin's Creed (PS3) 6) More Brain Training 7) Call of Duty 4 (PS3) 8) High School Musical (PS2) 9) WWE Smackdown v Raw 2008 (PS2) 10) The Simpsons Game (PS2)

2 days of sales was enough to get Super Mario Galaxy in at #3 ... which is ahead of the PS3 version of Assassin's Creed @ #5.

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@BrianK

Those are old October figures reported by NPD some time ago. Meanwhile in November the 40 GB PS3 has been introduced in the States, which has significantly driven up sales according to Sony.

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@BrianK

There are terms of usage, at least for warranty. Maybe this person is correct and maybe Sony was correct. In any case this is a mere incident and nothing on the scale of 360 problems.

@Lou
Thanks for the #s some interesting stuff in there.

Wii beats PSP+PS3+PS2 combined
360 beats PS3+PS2 combined
PS2 beats PS3

Guitar Hero III: PS2 sells more then the PS3 version

360 has 3 of top 10 sellers
PS2 has 3 of top 10 sellers

Oct PS3 wasn't impressive. Since the PS2 is popular I'd think a $400 PS3 w/ emulation would be more attractive then one without.

@MikeB
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Nonesense, but this PS3 was just too dirty

No true. Text from PS3 user

The nonsense is on Sony. Sony denied the claim because the PS3 is too dirty. But, dust on the outside isn't what's causing the issue. If the user wiped the case would that 'fix' the denial of warranty? Most likely it would not. Yet, if the user was to open the PS3 and clean out the dust that would too void the warranty. This is clearly a Sony service problem. They should have told us we needed to build clean rooms.

@BrianK

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Speaking of imperfect you did read the Sony denial of PS3 warranties due to dust right?

Nonesense, but this PS3 was just too dirty. Obviously this consumer does not take good care of his or her PS3.

US hardware sales rankings

Last month's rank - October rank - October sales - Lifetime US sales

( 2 ) 01. Wii - 519,000 (5,038,400)
( 3 ) 02. NDS - 458,000 (13,591,100)
( 1 ) 03. 360 - 366,000 (7,094,800)
( 4 ) 04. PSP - 286,000 (8,885,900)
( 5 ) 05. PS2 - 184,000 (39,449,800)
( 6 ) 06. PS3 - 121,000 (1,986,100)

US software sales rankings

Last month's rank - October rank - October sales - Lifetime US sales

( 1 ) 1. 360 - Halo 3 (all versions) (Microsoft) - 433,800 (3,733,800)
( - ) 2. 360 - Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock w/ guitar (Activision) - 383,200 (NEW)
( - ) 3. Wii - Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock w/ guitar (Activision) - 286,300 (NEW)
( - ) 4. PS2 - Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock w/ guitar (Activision) 271,100 (NEW)
( 3 ) 5. NDS - The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass (Nintendo) - 262,800 (486,800)
( 2 ) 6. Wii - Wii Play w/ remote (Nintendo) - 239,700 (2,469,700)
( - ) 7. 360 - The Orange Box (Electronic Arts) - 238,400 (NEW)
( - ) 8. PS2 - Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock standalone (Activision) - 231,700 (NEW)
( - ) 9. PS2 - Fifa Soccer 2008 (Electronic Arts) - 129,700 (NEW)
( 9 ) 10. NDS - Brain Age 2: More Training in Minutes a Day (Nintendo) - 116,900 (300K+)

@MikeB

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MikeB wrote: @BrianK Quote: As mentioned before you seem to have an inability to discuss the abstract. IMO my 2 minute researched comment already contained more valuable information than you had given. My comment was geared towards helping people to solve the problem, despite I'm not interested in the game myself.

Thank you for affirming my assessment.

@MikeB

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MikeB wrote: @Lou Appears games like Assassin's Creed and Call Of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (2nd week) are greatly outselling Mario Galaxy's launch in Europe. I thought Mario Galaxy would top the charts, despite I don't prefer using a Wii-mote for this kind of game and don't like the upside down platforming on micro worlds myself. The Japanese launch was below expectations as well with Dynasty Warriors 6 for the PS3 selling 30K more at launch than Mario Galaxy did. Maybe a Wii Sports 2 or releasing a Deluxe version may be a better option for Nintendo.

Mike,
About 2 or 3 pages ago, I mentioned Nintendo having problems printing discs. This limited the launch supply in Japan and perhaps Europe and the US as well across all software including 3rd party software. Regardless, Super Mario Galaxy is #1 in the US: http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=8010&Itemid=2
I also expect it to stay in the Japanese top 10 for quite a bit of time. It sold 77K it's second week after a 250k sellout launch. Again, I see Nintendo's inability to manufacture the media and supply 3 territories almost simultaneously. Note that Nintendo also produces the disc media for 3rd party software as well. Reggie Film-Amiee has stated that the software production issue is due to end in November and it seems they are producing 1.8 MILLION Wii consoles a month now.

Oh and Guitar Hero 3 on the Wii outsold Guitar Hero 3 on the PS3, fyi.

@MikeB

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people are experiencing serious problems with XBox support and people are really upset with the refurbs still being send out to people: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=148060&page=132

Great page but I'm not sure if it backs your point.
'I got my box within 2 days. I dropped my package off friday afternoon and got it back today ...I called on Sunday Nov.4th, got my box Wednesday Nov.7,...Microsoft Canada's on top of things now....'
-- So the reports at least seem to be improving. Also noted in there is newer consoles w/ 2nd heatpipe seem to not have the failure rate of the launch consoles, nice! There are posts on there w/ people with 3 dead consoles but their experience of service seems to better reflect returns months ago. Is it prefect no. Is it improved? YES! As a consumer we can ask that a company be perfect but in reality these are people and people are imperfect.

Speaking of imperfect you did read the Sony denial of PS3 warranties due to dust right? Seems that ALL the companies have their issues. Eating $400 is tough but having to eat $700 is even rougher.

@jtsiren
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The last three or more times I've turned the PS3 on have been only for firmware updates.

Hey I represent that comment!

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@Samwel

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Samwel wrote: @Lou Quote: a 24bit 1024x600 frame requires 1843200 bytes which is well within the limits of Wii's 2MB frame and Z buffer. Trust me when I say their is a little more juice left in the Wii. IMO there's no point in Nintendo cramming "more juice" out of Wii. It's better for them to ride the wave as it is and focus on their next gen machine instead. I don't think Wii sales will be the market leader in 2009. Maybe the bigger part of 2008 but then 360 and PS3 will take over.

That's just it, in 2009, Nintendo can up the juice to 973MHz and do 540p and rumor has it that their may be a scaler, otherwise the TV will scale. What will happen is older (out of warranty) Wii's will fail spurring more sales. I'm sure Nintendo is (or has) moving to 65nm chips and possibly 45nm by then to handle the extra heat. Older Wii's may be able to handle it with case mods that offer better cooling.

This clock speed setting will be dependent on the game that it's running. So not all software would require the extra power. Similar to how Bioshock and Halo 3 cause immediate RROD issues.

For the record... Rumor has it that their is a new DS redesign that is complete. This version eliminates the GBA slot and adds more RAM. Perhaps we could someday see a Wii with more RAM and a faster cpu as well that may drop the Gamecube ports to help offset the costs... Yes, Nintendo would have pulled a Sony on this one.

@jtsiren

A well written article, but I think it paints a too rosey picture of Microsoft support, people are experiencing serious problems with XBox support and people are really upset with the refurbs still being send out to people:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=148060&page=132

Also they should have mentioned the reports of the Xenos being planned to go 65nm next spring 2008. What's nicer than a XBox 360 this christmas to suit your christmas tree?

RROD Gets Into The Christmas Spirit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JEsNuuvCU8

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discovered that my discs are ####ing destroyed. Halo 3. Destroyed. Gears of War. Destroyed. Orange Box. Destroyed. Discs have HUGE ####ing scratches.

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@Lou

Appears games like Assassin's Creed and Call Of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (2nd week) are greatly outselling Mario Galaxy's launch in Europe. I thought Mario Galaxy would top the charts, despite I don't prefer using a Wii-mote for this kind of game and don't like the upside down platforming on micro worlds myself. The Japanese launch was below expectations as well with Dynasty Warriors 6 for the PS3 selling 30K more at launch than Mario Galaxy did.

Maybe a Wii Sports 2 or releasing a Deluxe version may be a better option for Nintendo.

PS3 2.01 update just completed, all working fine.

The last three or more times I've turned the PS3 on have been only for firmware updates. I really need to find the time for Ratchet, but I've got other games to complete and other things going on too...

Speaking of the topic (Xbox 360 reliability), Anandtech made a nice article about Xbox 360 Falcon:

http://www.anandtech.com/gadgets/showdoc.aspx?i=3152

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@MikeB

Well I was using TVersity before.. Everything worked fine and very stable until 2.0x.
I also tried install the newer so called 2.00 compatible version. But it still won't connect
as it should.

Windows Media Player does connect and keep the connection but it's dead slow... Actually
so slow that it can't keep up with streaming a MP3 through a 100MBit router. It also
takes 10-15 seconds for playback to start.

Something must be wrong with 2.0x I think.

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@Samwel

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Maybe you could explain how to get media streaming to work with PS3 and Windows XP Pro?

I am not using this feature myself, this thread is of relevance, especially the latest posts:

(12-11-2007) "New TVersity just came out with full support for 2.0 firmware improved network "

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=158357

@Samwel

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You can only hope the stuff MikeB is mentioning isn't true. To maintain frame rate is very important.. Even more so than exellent graphics IMO. Especially in high paced action games.

It's correct, I heard about it on 1up, they were discussing R&C: TOD running so smoothly with insane amount of things going on a once and Insomniac's statement that their game engine will still advance so much in future. They talked a little about the framerate issues with regard to Mass Effect.

A second source:

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he frame-rate drops constantly; if it was every now and then it might not be a big issue, but it’s frequent to say the least. Textures don’t always load properly either, and we experienced the game locking up on occasion for a few seconds at a time, which can be extremely frustrating, especially in combat.

http://palgn.com.au/article.php?id=9558&sid=df23981a5edd3d2150fd0e70ff465b87

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