I am getting more and more dissapointed with the ps3... I knew that i thought ridge racer 6 looked better than version 7 on the ps3, but now i did a side by side comparison and find that the difference is actually way more significant.
Ridge racer 6 on the xbox 360 looks superior in nearly every way. Not only are there jagged edges due to no anti alias, but draw distance and textures looks really way worse. The main problem is that you do not see asphalt textures very far ahead, as it is blurred only a few meters ahead of the car.
The graphics has also significantly been dropped in the mirror view, while this is not the case on the xbox 360 version. Why did they have to drop so many graphic details while at same time achieving a less smooth framerate?
This all seems to suggest that the GPU lacks power compared to the xbox 360 GPU.

I also tried juiced 2 demo for the ps3 now, and it looks horrible compared to pretty much ANY xbox 360 racing game i have ever tried. I have not tried the xbox version of this said game yet, but read some reviews that claims that the xbox 360 has better graphics. Why should the so called more superior system lack behind the xbox like that?
I dont think you can blame it on it being launch titles either, as the launch titles for the xbox looked better even though that was years ago.

I also had a look at resistance and again i found it to be less pleasing graphically when compared with gears of wars for the xbox.

The only game that looked from what i remember closely similar was DiRT, which is supposed to be optimized for the ps3 console. I have to do a side by side comparison with this game later as well to be sure.

I do by the way use a component cable on the xbox and hdmi cable for the ps3.

EDIT: Though i have to admit that the level design are better on RR7, but that makes sense since it is a much newer game.

Last edited by Tomas on 05-Nov-2007 at 07:26 PM.

@Samwel

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5.1 vs 7.1 is a bit overrated. But higher quality sound (higher bitrate or lossless) is of course better. Is there actually any game that uses lossless encoding of its sound? That uses 7.1 even? Or was this point about the general specs of 360?

Resistance and many other PS3 games use 7.1 lossless sound. I agree with you 5 or 7 for gaming isn't as big a deal. But point to the PS3 in that regard. As for lossless sound comparing Gears or Halo to Resistance, there's a slight difference I can notice but nothing to get all worked up about. Still point to the PS3 in this regard and I expect future games to make better use of this.

@Samwel

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Your statistics are from the US market only I guess?!

You are correct US only here's that statement from my original post:
'Recently in the US the numbers of games sold per console provide these ratios:'

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Are there any such statistics available for the whole world? Is any of the big markets (US, Japan, Europe) better in buying games than others?

Good question. I haven't seem world wide stats yet. During the PS3 launch window in Japan the ratio was less then 1 game sold per console. I expect this has changed by now.

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@Samwel

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IMO PS3 should have some edge smoothing. Why does it not?

I think this together with other improvements are planned for the full version of Gran Turismo 5, currently they are still building the core engine.

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How many have a 1080p screen compared to a 720p/768p? 2%? More or less?

Yes a small percentage currently, but:

http://www.tvpredictions.com/1080p101107.htm

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Is there actually any game that uses lossless encoding of its sound?

Nearly all PS3 exclusives including Folklore, Motorstorm, Lair, Resistance, Warhawk, Ratchet, Uncharted, etc.

@BrianK

Heh yeah of course everyone is different than the average..
My point being I have bought more than the average for both games and movies
during the first 3 weeks of owning the PS3.

Your statistics are from the US market only I guess?!
Are there any such statistics available for the whole world?
Is any of the big markets (US, Japan, Europe) better in buying games than others?

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@MikeB

Hey cool down.

IMO PS3 should have some edge smoothing. Why does it not?
Yes you can say a 1080p screen will remove the need for it. But still why
not have edge smoothing for everyone else that doesn't have these new
screens? How many have a 1080p screen compared to a 720p/768p? 2%?
More or less?

Also smoothness and flow of the graphics are IMO more important than all
the extra polygons and higher resolution. If both can be achieved then all
the better. But a game should never sacrifice frame rate for nicer graphics.

5.1 vs 7.1 is a bit overrated. But higher quality sound (higher bitrate or lossless)
is of course better. Is there actually any game that uses lossless encoding of
its sound? That uses 7.1 even? Or was this point about the general specs of
360?

Although I agree with your point about the DVD for 360, as I have discussed
with BrianK before.

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@Tomas

The Gran Turismo 5 Prologue demo like RR7 does look best in 1080p, as to if the XBox 360 would be capable of runnint this game without sacrifices what are you comparing it with?

If you compare Prologue in numbers with a XBox 360 game like PGR4, the demo provides a native 1080p vs 640p (?), 60 FPS vs 30 FPS, 200,000 polygon cars vs 100,000 polygons, 16 cars vs 8 cars...

Technically the XBox 360 isn't even capable of producing losless 7.1 audio, I also think the final game will offer so much content it won't be possible to fit everything on a single DVD even with downgraded sound.

They are using the SPEs, so I think this out of reach of the XBox 360 technical capabilities. That doesn't mean a less complex version would be impossible, which may actually look roughly identical in the eyes of people owning lower specced TVs and audio equipment.

@Tomas

I agree on both your points. The PS3, as we've been saying, has the most potential. IF and how that potential becomes actualized will be interesting. I think one of the best games on the PS3 for visuals is Heavenly Sword. Give it a rent. Though again I think the 360 capable of comparable graphics. L

I haven't tried Folklore yet but heard some good reports of the visuals.

Unreal Tourney3 looks like the PS3 version will be highly optimized as Sony and the UT3 team are working jointly to port this to their platform. I'm interested in the results. I'm also interested in the costs of all this work. A recent report had Sony talking to developers about sticking around. In the current gen it appears that the Wii and 360 games sustain a higher software profit model. This is due to larger sales, and smaller development times, read less cost. UT3 will be interesting how much better are the visuals? How much more cost was needed to acheive this over the 360?

I have tried GT prologue now and i am sadly still not impressed when it comes to the graphics. The cars just look very jagged on my 720p 40 inch and the framerate had a tendency to drop here and there. So far it simply just looks like the xbox is more advanced machine when it comes to graphics.

Rachet and clank did on the other hand look rather good, but i think the xbox 360 would be perfectly capable to run the same game

@BrianK

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Story on Averages: 5 guys get fired and decide to go to the bar on Tuesday to cry in their beer. They all spend their last $5 on beer. All of a sudden in walks Bill Gates. He pulls up a chair buys a round and talks to the gents. The average person in the bar is a multimillionaire.

Just to nit pick for fun... :)

Well, no, not really - the average income in the bar may be in the multimillions, but the average person in that bar most definitely isn't multimillionaire if you aren't counting average income but actually just whether or not a person is multimillionaire or not - in that case you have 5 that are not, 1 that is (and more). Average person thus wouldn't be a multimillionaire. ;)

Falcon Xbox 360 Premiums have been appearing in my local stores now as well. I may upgrade one of these days, even though the old faithful has been running just fine.

@Samwel

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I own 7 Blu-ray movies already. I have also bought 5 boxed games and one online game. This during the first 3 weeks of owning it. Maybe I'm different?

Sure you're different then the average in fact everyone is. One can buy 3 games or 4 but can't buy 3.4 obviously. Your higher then average purchased # offsets the user out there whose purchased less then average.

Story on Averages:
5 guys get fired and decide to go to the bar on Tuesday to cry in their beer. They all spend their last $5 on beer. All of a sudden in walks Bill Gates. He pulls up a chair buys a round and talks to the gents. The average person in the bar is a multimillionaire.

@BrianK

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The 360 seems to be jiving to your more of a games unit then the PS3. Recently in the US the numbers of games sold per console provide these ratios:

I own 7 Blu-ray movies already. I have also bought 5 boxed games and one online game.
This during the first 3 weeks of owning it.

Maybe I'm different?

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@MikeB

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With regard to the graphics chip, maybe a closed source driver will become available for Yellow Dog Linux, I think the problem of the drivers not being open source may also have to do with NVIDIA, they have such a history.

I dont think that is the problem at all, as the gfx cheap is nearly identical to the GF7 gpu series. There is already a open source driver for that, which works perfectly fine for 2d stuff and video playback. The problem is with sony blocking acccess to it on purpose, which means that it would not even work if someone did hack together a driver.

@Lou

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I own ~20 Wii games...though mostly I play World of Warcraft...

Averages are averages. Obviously the users with more games off-set those users with 1 game. I wonder what the game ratio for the PS3 is in Japan now. Early the average was less then 1 game per console. I'd hope it's up by now.

Comparable -- I own 4 games for the PS3 and at least 10 Arcade games for the 360. I'd have to do a count but I probably own 8 or so boxed games. We're obviously on the high end of the average calculation.

@Tomas

Yes, I have a Japanese account called MikeB_Japan.

With regard to Linux, there is potential to harvest the needed power from the Cell's SPEs, they are excellently well suited for the task. But sadly Linux and almost all of Linux software were designed with a monolithic architecture mindset, it will take a lot of effort to clean up the software to take full advantage of the Cell's SPEs. With regard to the graphics chip, maybe a closed source driver will become available for Yellow Dog Linux, I think the problem of the drivers not being open source may also have to do with NVIDIA, they have such a history.

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@BrianK

I own ~20 Wii games...though mostly I play World of Warcraft...

Hardware in Japan:
Nintendo DS - 76,273
PSP - 59,792
Wii - 27,502
PlayStation 3 - 18,785
PlayStation 2 - 11,698
Xbox 360 - 3,718
Game Boy Micro – 64
GameCube – 58
Game Boy Advance SP - 41

The 360 seems to be over 3000 consistently now...hmmm...

Japanese top 30 for last week:
01. Final Fantasy Tactics A2: The Sealed Grimoire (DS) - 142,000 / New
02. Ar Tonelico II: Sekai ni Hibiku Shoujo Tachi (PS2) - 72,000 / New
03. World Soccer Winning Eleven DS Goal x Goal! (DS) - 29,000 / New
04. Imabikisou (PS3) - 23,000 / New
05. DS Bungaku Zenshuu (DS) - 21,000 / 54,000
06. Code Geass: Hangyaku no Lelouch (DS) - 20,000 / New
07. Ghost Squad (Wii) - 20,000 / New
08. God of War II (PS2) - 17,000 / New
09. DS Nishimura Kyotaro Suspense Shin Tantei Series: Kyoto Atami Zekkai no Kotou - Satsui no Wana (DS) - 17,000 / 98,000
10. Pokémon Mysterious Dungeon: Time Expedition Party (DS) - 16,000 / 537,000
11. Flash Focus: Vision Training in Minutes a Day (DS)
12. Pokémon Mysterious Dungeon: Shadow Expedition Party (DS)
13. KanKen DS 2 + Jouyou Kanji Jiten (DS)
14. Wii Sports (Wii)
15. Gundam Battle Chronicle (PSP)
16. Dragon Ball Z: Sparking! Meteor (PS2)
17. Taiko Drum Master DS (DS)
18. Mario Party 8 (Wii)
19. Tengen Toppa Gurren-Lagann (DS)
20. Volleyball World Cup: Venus Evolution (PS2)
21. Seaman 2 (PS2)
22. Gintama: Banjiya Chuubu! (Wii)
23. Tamagotchi no Puchi Puchi Omisecchi: Mina San Kyu (DS)
24. Mario Kart DS (DS)
25. Wii Play (Wii)
26. New Super Mario Bros. (DS)
27. My Housekeeping Diary (DS)
28. More Brain Age (DS)
29. Zack & Wiki: Quest for Barbaros' Treasure (Wii)
30. Home Teacher Hitman Reborn! Let's Assassinate!? (PS2)

The 360 fascination was short-lived and there is actually a PS3 title in the top 10.

Sweden's top 20:
01. Metroid Prime 3: Corruption (Wii)
02. The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass (DS)
03. Football Manager 2008 (PC)
04. Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 (PS3)
05. Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 (PS2)
06. Half-Life 2: The Orange Box (PC)
07. Singstar Swedish hits Schlager (PS2)
08. Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 (360)
09. World of Warcraft (PC)
10. World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade (PC)
11. FIFA 08 (PS2)
12. Counter-Strike 1: Anthology (PC)
13. Half-Life 2: The Orange Box (360)
14. The Sims 2 Bon Voyage (PC)
15. The Witcher (PC)
16. Halo 3 (360)
17. Battlefield 2 (PC)
18. Warcraft III Frozen Throne (PC)
19. FIFA 08 (PS3)
20. World in Conflict (PC)

Metroid Prime 3: Corruption for the win!

Even smaller $99 PS2 coming soon: http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7773&Itemid=2
probably uses the combo chip that was in the original 60GB and 20GB models of the PS3...

Next week, look for Ace Combat 6 on the 360 to give Super Mario Galaxy a run for it's money. 360 hardware sales will look nice too...

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Last edited by Lou on 02-Nov-2007 at 11:52 AM.

Another thing.. just setup linux and tried to playback media under vlc.. Seems like my suspicion was right! due to sony blocking access to rsx, there is no way you will get smooth playback even out of SD media.
The video playback is jerky, use alot of cpu, tearing thanks to no vsync and pixelated video due to bad scaling.

So much for it being a perfect multimeda box as well as a computer?

@MikeB
So i can just create a extra account with japanese details?

@BrianK

LOL, some of the past "This is living!" ads have been embarrassing! The hardware has always been triple A, but Sony's marketing has been "sucky" at times, almost to a degree it seemed Sony didn't want to mass market the product yet.

These ads are well done and timed, I like the touches, kicking "seeing is believing" sound track, some great games being shown and people being welcomed home.

@MikeB
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Sony finally starts to really advertise:

Sony advertised last Christmas in the US. There were various commercials. It appears that the PS3 allows eggs to stand on end and blows up your Grandma's house. I avoided the PS3 for a long time because I like Grandma and didn't want to make her house a mess.