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MikeB 
Re: Mass failing of XBox 360, buyers beware! For UK alone 1500-2500 a day
Posted on 15-Aug-2007 15:35:41
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@BrianK

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I agree with your point. I think that Amazon Japan selling list showing Halo3 as #2 relates to your concept. The fanboys and the market are not always the same.


I just checked and the new amazon Japan Halo 3 pre-order is currently ranked at #21. Believe me Halo 3 is not going to be big in Japan nomatter the platform it's released on, it's just not the sort of game the Japanese like to play.

According to Famitsu XBox 360 hardware sales dropped to 2,800 units sold for the week, the PS3 sold 24,000 for the week.

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@MikeB

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Microsoft has been criticized by Asian XBox 360 component manufacturers for buying cheap lower quality components from them (and not doing well enough testing to see if the cheapass components actually suit their design).

Quality control with Asia is incredibly important. Recently in the USA we've seen poisoned dog food and children's toys containing lead based paint. There was an article recently about China's practices of under cutting the competition and then introducing quality slippages to make up for the would be profit losses.

It'd be interesting to see how many of these failures are due to the rumored cheap Asian components. Increasing the size of a heatsink to prevent RROD is an engineering solution and very unlikely related to any rumored poor quality components.

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Posted on 15-Aug-2007 14:50:19
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@Lou

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Most wanted lists are garbage


Actually Famitsu's list is usually a good indication for how well games will perform compared to other games coming to specific platforms. Of course a less anticipated game may still outperform a more anticipated game for various reasons, for example due to differences in installed userbase of a console, console entry price for new users, bundles, discounts, reviews, etc.

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Re: Mass failing of XBox 360, buyers beware! For UK alone 1500-2500 a day
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@Zardoz

Microsoft has been criticized by Asian XBox 360 component manufacturers for buying cheap lower quality components from them (and not doing well enough testing to see if the cheapass components actually suit their design). I thought the battery ripp-off deal is again a good example of M$ going cheap on its customers.

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BrianK 
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@Lou

I agree with your point. I think that Amazon Japan selling list showing Halo3 as #2 relates to your concept. The fanboys and the market are not always the same.


@MikeB
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What do you mean exactly? AFAIK the first thing asked with regard to the problem by XBox support is how many lights are flashing.

Actually the question is asked twice once via the phone robot and once when you get to a live person. However, it appears that some people are incorrectly answering the questions and sending their consoles in with 4 red lights, again for readers this is just a dropped video cable. The numbers aren't disclosed I'd like to think this is a low % of returns but it is a % of returns.

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Lou 
Re: Mass failing of XBox 360, buyers beware! For UK alone 1500-2500 a day
Posted on 15-Aug-2007 11:51:34
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@BrianK & MikeB

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BrianK wrote:

Of course neither PS3 nor 360 is doing squat compared to the Wii in Japan.


To elaborate further...

For the umpteenth time I re-iterate that "Most Wanted" lists are just fanboy service. Actual sales #'s rarely show a direct relation. There are far more consumers than fanboys as evidenced by sales of Wii hardware.

PS3 games have been at the top of these charts for a long time and even Blue Dragon was there for a long time.
Here's a scenario:
"I'm a PS2 owner, I own FF12. My most wanted game is FF13 on the PS3... However I don't own a PS3 and won't until it costs $200 and FF13 will be out before that happens and I'll probably just buy it used."

Most wanted lists are garbage.

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Zardoz 
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@MikeB

While I hate it when companies do that, do you mean to say that you have never seen "custom" batteries being sold like that? Sucks but I've seen it before.

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MikeB 
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Posted on 15-Aug-2007 9:42:54
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@BrianK

What do you mean exactly? AFAIK the first thing asked with regard to the problem by XBox support is how many lights are flashing.

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BrianK 
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Posted on 14-Aug-2007 20:34:54
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@MikeB

So one question is not only what % of 360s were returned for repair but what % of those were correctly returned for repair.

When the console seizes up and dies, three of the "circle of light's" quadrants blink red, but when the video cable pops out four of the quadrants blink. Apparently, a large number of consoles returned to Microsoft with the dreaded Red Ring of Death were perfectly fine and just the victim of a bit of red ring hysteria.

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Posted on 14-Aug-2007 18:08:00
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Interesting a post from an IGN reader:

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I cracked open my battery pack from MS since it finally crapped out on me.
I'm surprised.

Here's a pic of what's under the pretty white plastic:



All they did was took 2 AA rechargeable batteries which costs a total of $3, and tied them together, turning them around and selling the Play and Charge kit for $20! :O

Crazy. I think on the Batterypack alone they're making a 300% profit.


So for those of you that think you're getting a better battery by using MS's battery pack..... you're not. You're just paying more money. :p


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MikeB 
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Posted on 14-Aug-2007 17:24:26
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@BrianK

Look at it as a stresstest.

Companies usually do some extreme kind of testing to check the sturdiness of their products. For example open and closing fridge doors a million times with more than normal force in a short period of time.

If you are able to do 40 push-ups, you'll surely be able to do 5 just fine even if you're tired.

The XBox 360 died on me with just plain ordinary usage, placed out in the open with very good ventilation, unlike my PS3 which is placed in a media cabinet which is usually only open at the back (glass doors in the front).

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BrianK 
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@MikeBQuote:

Would be interesting to know how the XBox 360 would perform in similar tests:

Environment 1 Typical Family Room : running 108 hours. I've done 60+ hours playing games on DVD, Live games, and HD-DVD movies. Not a problem. There was a couple of glitches on Viva Pinata forced a reboot. I haven't conducted a 60+ hour PS3 gaming session, however I have still had a couple Blu-Ray movies lock something up that I've had to reboot.

Environment 2 Back of a Freezer Van -- not done but scaling the temps from 50F to 0F shouldn't be a problem. Hey if the problem is overheating one solution is to chill the environment. This would likely work fine with a 360.

Environment 3 Heat Sauna -- might be a problem scaling from 100F to 120F. But, being that 99%+ of people won't sit in a sauna more then an hour are they really going to be gaming?

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MikeB 
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Would be interesting to know how the XBox 360 would perform in similar tests:

http://www.ps3vault.com/how-to-kill-a-ps3-console-1975

It appears the PS3 survived a test of continuous Blu-Ray movie and game usuage of 108hours with no interruption to power supply in a Sauna with temperatures up to 100F-120F.

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MikeB 
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Posted on 13-Aug-2007 23:23:11
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@BrianK

Metal Gear Solid 4, may prove to be just wishful thinking. For the other games, the Japanese seem to greatly prefer a PS3 version. So in the case of simultaneous releases in Japan, this would still most likely benefit the PS3 more than the XBox 360.

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BrianK 
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Posted on 13-Aug-2007 20:08:35
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@MikeB

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That's just one XBox 360 game the Japanese are really looking forward to
I count more then 1 in there. None of them list more then 1 console.

3. Biohazard 5 PS3 Capcom & 360
4. Metal Gear Solid 4 PS3 & 360 (Yes just rumors we'll see when it's launched.)
9. Devil May Cry 4 PS3 Capcom & 360
11. The Last Remnant PS3 & 360

Also I'm kind surpised Halo3 didn't appear. The Halo 3 hype has hit the Land of the Rising Sun, with Bungie's shooter placing second on Amazon Japan's list of bestselling videogames. Must simply be that Japanese tend to not use Amazon?

I'm sure you've seen recent statements from Microsoft's Kim. He recently claimed Microsoft didn't think they'd win Japan but they did think they'd do better then the Xbox. That later point is questionable at the time. Of course neither PS3 nor 360 is doing squat compared to the Wii in Japan.

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MikeB 
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Posted on 13-Aug-2007 19:17:14
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@BrianK

Latest Japan most wanted:

1. Dragon Quest IX NDS Square Enix
2. Final Fantasy XIII PS3 Square Enix
3. Biohazard 5 PS3 Capcom
4. Metal Gear Solid 4 PS3 Konami
5. Monster Hunter 3 PS3 Capcom
6. Super Smash Bros. Brawl Wii Nintendo
7. Lost Odyssey Xbox 360 Microsoft
8. Crisis Core Final Fantasy VII PSP Square Enix
9. Devil May Cry 4 PS3 Capcom
10. Super Mario Galaxy Wii Nintendo
11. The Last Remnant PS3 Square Enix
12. Animal Crossing Wii Nintendo
13. Final Fantasy Versus XIII PS3 Square Enix
14. Final Fantasy IV NDS Square Enix
15. Ash NDS Mistwalker
16. Sengoku Musou 2 Moushouden PS2 Koei
17. Biohazard Umbrella Chronicles Wii Capcom
18. White Knight Story PS3 Sony
19. Gran Turismo 5 PS3 Sony
20. Layton Kyouju to Akuma no Hako NDS Level 5

That's just one XBox 360 game the Japanese are really looking forward to, enough to potentially sell some extra systems and I doubt this title will top Blue Dragon. IMO the war between 360 and PS3 for Japan is already lost for the 360, well before the real next-gen battle starts. Newcomer White Knight Story looks promising.

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@MikeB

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IMO there's nothing mysterious of the fact that I see a lot of potential in the PS3

I am quite confident there's LOTS of potential for the PS3 and remains to be lots of potential. In fact much of the potential is not going to get realized this year.

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@ jtsiren & BrianK

You guys almost act as if I said the figures were wrong... I'm just interested in the figures.

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ou certainly picked a favorable week to show Blu-ray stats which doesn't surprise me.


That was just the first relevant report I got when I typed Blu-Ray + Nielsen in google. Of course, you always wanting to seek for some mysterious "agenda". IMO there's nothing mysterious of the fact that I see a lot of potential in the PS3, do you have some mysterious agenda?

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@MikeB

Week ending 080507
Weekly 62:38
YTD 66:34
SI 60:40

The Nielsen data for week ending Aug 5th was 62% vs. 38% and the previous week was 66% vs. 34% range, you certainly picked a favorable week to show Blu-ray stats which doesn't surprise me. It has been like this since late last spring, with a few dips below 30% but mostly HD DVD staying in 30-40%. I think 2:1 is a fair statement.

Blu-ray advance of Q1, which they certainly had and used well to grab their leading position, has apparently stalled for the summer. However, BD does has a very good block-buster line-up for the rest of the year and the PS3 60 GB firesale is helping, so they may again advance this holiday season which I'm sure they are doing everything they can to do.

Lets see if the HD DVD player price advantage remains an asset (because the exclusive blockbuster line-up for HD DVD holiday season is clearly less strong) and for how long. The situation is what it is now, but things can and likely will change in some direction.

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@MikeB

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Interesting, those are Blu-Ray disc sales, right? Got a link?

"Nielsen VideoScan reports that tor the week ending July 22nd, Blu-Ray sales lead HD-DVD by an astonishing 74% to 26%. In other words, 3/4 of all high-definition movie sales were Blu-Ray discs. Amazing. Thus far, in 2007, Blu-Ray has widened the sales margin 67% to 33%
Those were disc sales. I'll see if I can find the link again. But, look our data matches. Simply convert those % to a ratio and you'll see.

74%:26% for July 22nd is a 3:1 margin
67%:33% YTD is a 2:1 margin
60%:40% inception is a 1.5:1 margin

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By not be a racist and including all Blu-Ray playing devices (PC drives and PS3) according to the Blu-ray Disc Association in early July 2007, Blu-Ray has hardware marketshare 95%.
Not sure what race has to do with anything here these are hardware not people.

Blu-Ray association has been known to estimate HD-DVD players and sales and once Nielsen #s come out are typically off. But, yes as I've said the devices have a significant margin for Blu-Ray. Using your numbers
95%:5% is 19:1 for the Blu-Ray devices.

Now taking all this back to my point. 3:1 movies vs 19:1 device ownership. It appears that 40% of PS3 owners not knowning their units can do Blu-Ray is at least 1 of the issues why we aren't seeing movie ratios matching device ratios. Perhaps that's 1 reason why HD-DVD enjoys a higher attach rate per player then Blu-Ray. If Blu-Ray ability was a significant draw we'd see a ratio of 19:1 for the movies.

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the PS3 offers far more potential to video enthusiasts than standalone players, for example you can soon also do Karaoke with Singstar, use the Playstation Store, discuss the latest movie trailers with fellow enthusiasts in Playstation Home, etc.
I agree the PS3 does offer more potential then standalone. The high end video enthusiasts though? Doubtful enthusiats I know are very, very picky, afterall there are no tubes in the PS3 and they shudder at the thought of karoke. Seriously these types strongly prefer standalones and if they want to discuss a movie online they'll use a desktop not a console. They will be the ones who buy the upcoming $2K Denon Blu-Ray player.

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