@afxgroup

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not at moment.. but Friedens Bros know all my work much better..

I didnt think to ask you directly.. I didnt realise you had much of a presence here! I even forgot you had posted once in this thread already. Sorry :)

i think X11 is how to kill os4 because this OS needs native version or native porting and not
find a way to run firefox into x11 environment.

It is more easy to load Linux and to surf with it ..

however, good luck to afxgroups for his project

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@Seiya

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i think X11 is how to kill os4 because this OS needs native version or native porting and not find a way to run firefox into x11 environment. It is more easy to load Linux and to surf with it .. however, good luck to afxgroups for his project

You find it easier to reboot into another OS (45 seconds) instead of loading the x11 environment (5 seconds) ?

@jahc
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You find it easier to reboot into another OS (45 seconds) instead of loading the x11 environment (5 seconds) ?

Your Linux loads in only 45 seconds?

Alex.

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@jahc

Actually THAT is the problem, once you noticed that your useing X11 for the majority of task, you gonna ask yourself why you didn't go for the real thing.

Once you start booting into Linux regulary you'll find it harder and harder to justify rebooting into AOS.


For me running X11-programs on Amiga isn't that much different than running them with VNC or similar.

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@jahc

> I remember talking to you privately about the ramiga+m problem.. i.e. when
> you switch to x11's screen, it leaves an "m" in any window accepting text
> input if you have one open... did you manage to fix this?

No, it isn't solved yet, but I know, where the problem is. It has the same reason, why the Alt key doesn't work. The keyboard handling of the server is limited. I didn't make any changes to the server in the last time, because I want to solve all issues in one go.

> Secondly.. I think once we get Firefox, we're going to want to use the
> clipboard a lot! Is clipboard support planned?

Yes, clipboard support is planned, but also not implemented. The recompile with newlib needed a lot of time.

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@Fransexy

You're probably thinking about the port of Terje Pedersen? It is unusuable, because too much things are missing and it has a lot of incompatibilities. And you need some more libs in addition to libX11.
Basically - in my opinion - it could be the better way than porting GTK / GDK directly to AmigaOS, but I have my doubts, that this lib would be the right base.

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@CygnusEd

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No, it isn't solved yet, but I know, where the problem is. It has the same reason, why the Alt key doesn't work. The keyboard handling of the server is limited. I didn't make any changes to the server in the last time, because I want to solve all issues in one go.

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Yes, clipboard support is planned, but also not implemented. The recompile with newlib needed a lot of time.

That sounds very encouraging. Thank you for your continued effort on this project!

@CygnusEd

Keep going Ed. Of course native ports of big titles are what we all want to see but what you are doing is buying this platform and community time by keeping interest alive and that is very important at this time.

I constantly use your Abiword implementation and have had no problems at all, perhaps some people forget how long MSOffice (or even just MSWord) can take to load on the PC. Similarly, OpenOffice was bagged because of load times but they have greatly improved over the development of that suite.

Some folk probably don't understand the scope of your work, what you (and your helpers) have achieved in a short time is fantastic.

ace

@Seiya

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i think X11 is how to kill os4 because this OS needs native version or native porting and notfind a way to run firefox into x11 environment.It is more easy to load Linux and to surf with it ..however, good luck to afxgroups for his project

@Kronos

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Actually THAT is the problem, once you noticed that your useing X11 for the majority of task, you gonna ask yourself why you didn't go for the real thing. Once you start booting into Linux regulary you'll find it harder and harder to justify rebooting into AOS. For me running X11-programs on Amiga isn't that much different than running them with VNC or similar.

If someone - like me - likes to work in an amiga environment, he will benefit from this port.
I could use Linux together with a cross-compiler to make my ports. It is faster and it has some other advantages. But I don't do it. Why? Because I like to use the typical AmigaOS features and programs like GoldEd, ArtEffect and others.

So why it shouldn't be good to use X11? My goal is to have a rootless server display, so you can work with X-applications in normal windows.
In my opinion, it is dogmatic to refuse such posibilities. Just like some people say, that an Amiga is only an Amiga, when he has a 68k CPU.

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@CygnusEd

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My goal is to have a rootless server display, so you can work with X-applications in normal windows.

That sounds quite cool. Have you started work on this feature? If so, how far away is it? Theoretically, would there be a speed increase?

I dont use x11 much, except when I have an MS word document that needs viewing/printing :) But that will change if afxgroup gets Firefox working.

@CygnusEd

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So why it shouldn't be good to use X11? My goal is to have a rootless server display, so you can work with X-applications in normal windows.

Like on OSX. It would be great. Thanks for your work.

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@ikir

hmmm.. this is sad day for me... :(

i sold my A1-Xe because, we dont have good web browser, and i needed one really padly.

i get money it 750e

sad thin is that i notice, there is working Browser, and only 2months after i sold my Amiga.
(i wait it 4years).

Now i have to Buy new Amiga.

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@salass00

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Dynamic linking is the same as static linking except that the linking is done when the program is run by the OS rather than being done by the compiler.

No it's not. When a Linux program uses shared object (shared library), it is linked in such a way that it doesn't contain function code itself, but references to shared code that will be made available on run time. When the resulting program is loaded into memory to be executed, the function references are resolved and calls are made to the shared library, which will be loaded into memory if needed.

So shared libraries in linux are loaded only once into memory too.

@alexw

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Your Linux loads in only 45 seconds?

Well, my Compaq Armada M700 P3@750Mhz laptop loads Debian 4.0 'Etch' in 60 seconds That's cold boot time from grub OS selection screen to x11 GDM login screen

If I suspend system to disk (hibernate) it takes 24 seconds to wake up.
If I suspend system to ram, it takes 12 seconds to wake up.

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@jahc

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That sounds quite cool. Have you started work on this feature? If so, how far away is it? Theoretically, would there be a speed increase?I dont use x11 much, except when I have an MS word document that needs viewing/printing :) But that will change if afxgroup gets Firefox working.

I didn't start with the rootless feature. Some time ago I've checked, how difficult it would be to implement a server window on the workbench (whole display) and it should not to be too difficult. The rootless server will be much more difficult.

I don't think, that this will increase speed

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How often is the Firefox bounty total updated?


I threw in $30 last week and it still is the same.

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@CygnusEd

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CygnusEd wrote: @jahc Quote: That sounds quite cool. Have you started work on this feature? If so, how far away is it? Theoretically, would there be a speed increase?I dont use x11 much, except when I have an MS word document that needs viewing/printing :) But that will change if afxgroup gets Firefox working. I didn't start with the rootless feature. Some time ago I've checked, how difficult it would be to implement a server window on the workbench (whole display) and it should not to be too difficult. The rootless server will be much more difficult. I don't think, that this will increase speed

But it would make X11 apps more integrated into the OS4 environment. I think that speed should have a higher priority though.

Hans

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@Seiya

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i think X11 is how to kill os4 because this OS needs native version or native porting and not find a way to run firefox into x11 environment.

It can be a useful step in porting things though. Get things to run at all using X11, and then do more work to get it native to OS4 APIs. Of course there is possibility that improving to OS4-nativeness may fall to laziness, but it does open some doors to us that would otherwise be closed.

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