@umisef

You may have a point, but if OS4 for classics never goes on sale, we'll never know. Besides, gcc isn't the only option for developing on OS4. For C there is vbcc, OS4 comes with python, and on OS4Depot one can get versions of BASIC.

@IOWASURFER

i have an amiga one micro. but i will bay one licens just to suport !!!!

happy xmas

@umisef

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Do you really think there is anyone out there who (a) Would be willing to put up with the performance of gcc 4.x on a 233 MHz L2-cacheless CPU,

Well, your milage may vary and maybe the average developer who got used to
faster hardware wont accept it, but I've build large parts of the binaries
for the OS4Final CD on this CSPPC/233 with an 18GB harddisk at the internal IDE
port, and for me its fast enough.

Of course it probably doesnt make much sense to try to build FireFox on such
a machine, but for creating binaries upto about a MB like the kernel or
TypeManager its IMHO usable when you are using makefiles with proper dependencies
and dont have to rebuild all object files everytime you changed something.

Yes, this doesnt invalidate your arguments b) to d).

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Of course it probably doesnt make much sense to try to build FireFox on such ...

But when the bulk of work on Netscape was been done the processor of the day was a Pentium 100 (in the year 1994).

@TetiSoft

Don't forget that you can cross-compile on windows, linux or macos and then test on your classic.

Also, I've never tried it, but there is distributed gcc for OS4, which I think would enable to use your other machines on the network to build stuff, but the end result ends up on the amiga ready to run as if you'd compiled it there.

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@umisef

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(a) Would be willing to put up with the performance of gcc 4.x on a 233 MHz L2-cacheless CPU,

Faster than on ancient 68060 cpu.

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gets-new-developers

Nevertheless there are so many non-PPC Amigas that there cant be major shift to PPC development (was it OS4 or MorphOS). Majority of old Amigas have only 68k and there are even more WinUAE users and developers. Thus 68k is the major platform now and in the future.

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@IOWASURFER

To be honest, I don't know what you are ranting about. It has been said from the very onset of the project that it will be for PowerPC only, so pardon me but ranting about not having a PowerPC card is a bit weak. And acting like this is a big surprise is, well, a slight bit hypocritical.

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@glittering

You either just offended me, or Bill Borsari. In any case, you should really watch your language, this is the second time I reported you for such a thing.

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umisef wrote: @Hans Quote: What will we gain? Hopefully some more developers so that, when the legal fiasco is over and OS4 is finally available with new PowerPC hardware (hopefully), we'll have more software to run on it. I have read this hope for OS4-for-classic-gets-new-developers before. Do you really think there is anyone out there who (a) Would be willing to put up with the performance of gcc 4.x on a 233 MHz L2-cacheless CPU, (b) Has any interest in AmigaOS (c) Has any skills as a developer *and* (d) Is not yet an OS4-on-classic betatester? I very strongly doubt it.

There have been several people here saying they want the classic version so that they can develop OS4 software, including a new member over the last few weeks; so yes, I do think that there are people out there willing to develop on old machines. Don't forget that you can use distcc to use Linux/MacOSX/Windows machines to speed up the compilation.

I hope you don't mind me saying this, but you're sounding more and more like a bitter and grumpy old man; you're too young for that. Lighten up mate.

Hans

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@Rogue

Hans,
I guess I am upset that now that 4.0 maybe coming out..
Theres no way I can even use it.. So I guess OS 1.1 1.2 1.3 2.0 3.0 3.5 3.9 are the final versions of the chapter we know as Amiga.. Os

4.0 is only running on machines using ppc cards out there... So 3.9 is the last real Amiga universal os... for most of the classic machines left...

I would love to be involved or go to the next step but feel frustrated even if i want to I cant even find a solution to run os 4.0 and it seems i am not alone in this frustration there are thousands of folks who would buy os 4.0 but cant do a thing with it even if we owned it...

I wish like the 7previous versions it was at least some percentage of compatibility heck even 25% compatibility would have been cool...but it seems not to be in the least...

:(

Thats all..

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@IOWASURFER

Let's see if I got it right:

Given you don't have a PPC card, are you ask what's the whole point of releasing a PPC version of OS4 for classic machines at all? Is it that? If so, how selfish...

Saluditos,

Ferrán

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@IOWASURFER

I can understand your frustration. We have all felt the same for too many years. I've said it before and I'll say it again it's the Amiga community and forums like this that have kept the Amiga dream alive.

The release of OS4.0 for PPC enabled classic Amigas is a step in the right direction. From my own experience as a beta tester OS4.0 on my A4000T/PPC looks and feels like Amiga OS. Hopefully there will be new hardware to buy in the very near future but in the meantime classic users with PPC boards will certainly be having some fun!

TrevorDick

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@Ferry

Oh your one of the elite?

AOS4 Betatester..

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@TrevorDick

I am just jealous.. Dont get us wrong we would love to play ball
unfountely theres not enough game and not enough boing os 4.0 (( PPC ))
balls to go around

:(

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@IOWASURFER

It’s not hopeless get your hands on PowerUp card for your classic, if you’re willing to pay for it.

http://www.amigans.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=1286&forum=21

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@umisef

Well don’t think CPU power is the only thing effecting compile time, disk speed does too,

And if you have large project your working on you do not need recompile the full project, only individual modules.

For example

// Compile individual modules
Gcc video.cpp –o video.o –E
Gcc input.cpp –o input.o –E
Gcc main.cpp –o main.o –E

// Link the modules
Gcc main.o video.o input.o –o my.exe

As you can see it not very complicated do divide your project up, this shortens the compilation time, no need to go and watch TV.

Well this does require is that you take the time to write header files describing the function, its done like this:

my_header.h

// start of file
extern void my_function1(int arg1, int arg2);
extern void my_function2(int arg1, int arg2);
// end of file

Now you include my_header.h in all files needing my_function1 and my_dunction2.

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IOWASURFER wrote: @Ferry Oh your one of the elite? AOS4 Betatester..

And? Even if I weren't, I would be still VERY happy to see ANY initiative in a platform needed of them, we are not that full of developers to bash any when a group of them do a GREAT effort to bring something new. I'm not that stupid... And as someone else has said, if you want to use OS4 PPC for Classics, I'm sure you can find a board, on eBay there's at least 2 of them for A1200 available.

Saluditos,

Ferrán.

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@Ferry

Can I buy yours Ferry?

:P

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@IOWASURFER

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4.0 is only running on machines using ppc cards out there... So 3.9 is the last real Amiga universal os... for most of the classic machines left...

Well this is like complaining that HAM8 only works on AGA.

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So 3.9 is the last real Amiga universal os... for most of the classic machines left...

Even if there had been an AmigaOS 4.0 for 68k CPU's, it would surely have been restricted to CPU's with a working MMU. I'm sorry you feel offended by this, but at one point you have to draw a line.

You could essentially also complain that MacOS X is not available for the Mac II. That is life.

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I wish like the 7previous versions it was at least some percentage of compatibility heck even 25% compatibility would have been cool...but it seems not to be in the least...

The 7 previous versions? Well I got news for you, they're now about 20 years old.

I don't really get where you get this 25% compatibility figure from? What is that supposed to mean? Either an OS *is* compatible with a CPU, or it isn't. Only X % does not make the slightest sense to me.

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@Rogue

Dont worry about it I will just go sit in my corner a pout I have nothing
that can run os4.0 and can buy nothing that it can run on and thats that..

Hurry up and wait a new movie
I am writing about AMIGA!

:(

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