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I don't think that very many at all question whether you sent your request.

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The Amiga community would be better of in the hands of DiscreetFX though, just our opinion of course.

I think just about any other administration would be a step up.

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@Yo

Assuming your question wasn't rhetorical, I'd suspect that Amiga
no longer makes much business sense so the only reason to get/stay
involved is an emotional one for hobby/saviour purposes. Those
motivations would not seem conducive to disciplined/conventional
business or PR decision-making. I believe that Jorkany's question
on "why Amiga" was making this point but in a much more efficient,
if not obvious, way.

I apologize if the question was rhetorical.

Nathan

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You can't buy a company without reviewing their financial information. Well I guess you could but it would not be very business smart.

I agree, but why do it in such a public way? By all means announce your intentions, but to drag postal tracking numbers into it (When it doesn't seem to serve any purpose since McBill has already said he's had questions about this subject) seems odd. Especialy since he has publicly said the company isn't for sale.

I don't understand what you are trying to prove with this?

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The issue here moreover is that a private company doesn't have to entertain requests for valuation. Bill has been pretty emphatic that Amiga does not intend to sell the company or any of the IP.

And as others have mentioned, the best intentions may be wonderful but you would need significant resources and industry presence before even giving this type of initiative any thought.

A brand identity is speculative property and diminishing in this case.

@SpaceDruid


You would have to ask the investors that question not me, I was against posting the tracking info and have better things to do. You can reach Tedd Gallion at his name @gmail.com

It might be important to bring up that DiscreetFX & DiscreetFX Partners are different. DiscreetFX is a private visual effects company that I control and manage. DiscreetFX Partners is a group of investors formed by Tedd Gallion and me to purchase the rights to Amiga. If there is anything to purchase that is, there has been some rumbling the what AI purchased from Gateway is in question. We are investigating that angle.


DiscreetFX will not be going away anytime soon, that you can count on.

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I applaud your attempts to raise up Amiga from the ashes. However don't you think that business negotiations and acquisition discussions are best carried out in private? If you are really serious about acquiring whatever rights Amiga Inc have left, bypass Bill Mc and arrange a meeting with Penti Kouri. At least you will be talking to the main man.

Good luck anyway!

TrevorDick

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The problem is that Penti Kouri does not make himself available to anyone.

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@DiscreetFX

Send him an email. I did about 6 months ago and even got a reply!

TrevorDick

PS I like your proposed OS4.0 giveaway. Well done!

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Please send us his e-mail address via PM.

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Will do. I am traveling in the North of England but will be back in London tomorrow and will PM you his email address.

TrevorDick

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I think they have already tried to contact them in private, with weird result... if i have well understood. If someone want to sell you a company or something else for more than his own nominal value, i can call an answer such this a little strange. This i what i have understood about this story, correct me if i'm wrong. However is not possible to buy a company that it is not on sale. We don't have any clue of the real value of the company, tho. it's the case to raise an offer, first? The first orginal value of the company should be the value for which the company itself was bought many years ago. After this we have to know the actual value of the company. We have to check if the company in the meanwhile has proved to be a valuable growing firm, with comparable data sheet and well known market facts (as well as company name reputation). (see the new Commodore, where the C= brand name was bought for 28 million dollars, and now the company has a value of more than 80 million dollars, according to many IT online news website). We don't have any access to the company balance sheet, and probably we will never succeed to access this papers at the moment. (looks, i'm talking like Uncle Scruggle )

this are really my two cents, or less


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Edit 2: added the Commodore stuff
Edit 3: some errors and grammar edit (i'm going to be an Editor)
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Please send us his e-mail address via PM.

You might find this thread worth a look too.

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Amiga.com email record issue (SOLVED - Thanks Amiga) & some Amiga email contacts

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Why is DiscreetFX criticized for communicating and stating the truth? The people to watch out for are the ones who don't communicate and lie to us (not to name any names). Some mention that it's bad business practice to have everything in the open but there is no ongoing negotiation and it's not like these are public companies where the share price is affected by buyout talk. The "dumb" business practice here is a company that will not listen to offers, especially when they are unprofitable.

@matthey

If you're referring to me, I wasn't criticizing him for speaking the truth. I was telling him that he's not actually proving anything of value. Yes, he's proved quite conclusively that he sent something to Amiga Inc (and I can imagine that Bill Mc Ewen found it soft, strong and thoroughly absorbent), but he's not proving *what* he sent.

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All company purchase agreements contain a clause which refers to a willing seller and willing buyer. It seems, in public that is, that Amiga Inc is not a willing seller. Therefore the price IMHO is immaterial.

TrevorDick

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@CodeSmith

No, I wasn't referring to you. You made a good point and for being the devil's advocate I thought you took more of a neutral logical stance. I was talking about the people that "need" this proof so they can criticize DiscreetFX more. Posting this really was one of those damned if you do and damned if you don't situations because of those looking to find something wrong with everything. In my opinion, DiscreetFX are not the bad guy's here. They are just as frustrated as the rest of us in this situation but at least they have tried to do something.

@TrevorDick

If a company don't want to sell the company itself or his own shares is supposed that the company already has good profits or revenues (i'm not talking about projections or revenues margins, but real profit): any info on this?

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If Amiga Inc. is so loaded with millions of cash they should refund everyones $50 coupon as an act of good faith. An olive branch to the community. They are too loaded to sell after all right?

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If a company don't want to sell the company itself or his own shares is supposed that company has good profits or revenues (i'm not talking about projections or revenues margins, but real profit): any info on this?

Sorry no! But it really doesn't matter whether a company make money or not as long as someone is willing to fund the losses. Who knows what the situation is with Amiga Inc?

If a company is publicity traded on a Stock exchange (eg, London, Paris, New York etc) then any person can attempt to buy those shares at the going rate. Once they have acquired over a certain percentage (varies in different countries) then the buyer must make an offer for all the issued shares. If a majority of the shareholders agree to accept the offer (again the percentage varies from country to country) then all the shares have to be sold to the buyer.

However if a company's shares are privately held then this process is not relevant.

TrevorDick

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