@damocles

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So Hyperion can then sell the OS4 source code to DiscreetFX? That is what your telling us then, right?

Nope. The contract we're talking about is only about the part which makes OS4 run on the Arctic device, e.g. a HAL (Hardware Abstraction Layer) probably including a few drivers for display, keypad, touchscreen, etc.

@Tigger

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Tigger wrote: @Dandy Quote: How about discussing the content of what I said instead of useless re-citing the section I was referring to? I honestly dont understand what point you are trying to make unless its that Amino should have cancelled the contract years ago.

That's exactly what I was trying to say.

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Tigger wrote: I agree with that, but they didnt, the people they sold everything to [???] did it in 2006 instead.

Yes - but they ostensibly sold in late 2003 and should have cancelled in mid 2002.

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Tigger wrote: I'm not sure what your point is, for years when will it be done has been asked lots and lots and lots of time, so why is this your focus of thought now?

Because had they cancelled the contract back then we today wouldn't be in the mess we're actually in now and we wouldn't be so frustrated.

We have a saying here:
"Better an ending with fright than fright without ending!"

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@Hans

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Please explain how porting to x86 would solve the current situation; and yes, the licensing scheme does matter in this.

Forget it. I'm not going that rat hole again except to say that If there would have been a willingness do an x86 port by Hyperion and the Frieden brothers in the first place - which there never has been - , an agreement could have at least been attempted to be reacxhed with AInc. on this before they encountered their initial legal woes a few years ago. If this would have happenned or at least been attempted, there would have been many more options to choose from with respect to hardware. Bottom line is that the willingness to do even consider doing this had to be there in the first place, which it never was, to their and our peril, IMHO.

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@COBRA

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@damocles Quote: So Hyperion can then sell the OS4 source code to DiscreetFX? That is what your telling us then, right? Nope. The contract we're talking about is only about the part which makes OS4 run on the Arctic device, e.g. a HAL (Hardware Abstraction Layer) probably including a few drivers for display, keypad, touchscreen, etc.

I don't understand, if Itec doesn't own the source code, doesn't Hyperion own it? If they own it, why can't they sell it to DiscreetFX?

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I have read the different answers to what i have written over a week ago, and they are very interesting. Still, it's clear that the Amiga needs to move forward, and the ongoing trial case between AI and Hyperion is preventing this from happening...

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@Helge

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Still, it's clear that the Amiga needs to move forward, and the ongoing trial case between AI and Hyperion is preventing this from happening...

Just read the Wikipedia page for Hyperion Entertainment, hilarious. To think we've invested all our Amiga hope in these guys! Not the ideal business partners are they? It claims they did none of the porting themselves and didn't pay their contrators! Is this the case? What happened to Worms Armaggedon? I had to get it for the Playstation in the end, great game

Hyperion Wikipedia Entry

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@BigD

I wonder who wrote it? It seems to be full of the anti-Hyperion rhetoric that one can read from a few regular posters.

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@BigD

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What happened to Worms Armaggedon?

The licence was for a port to Gateway's AmigaNG, when that got canned the licence meant nothing.

@tonyw

What's what I was thinking. At least someone's on the ball with all those [citation needed] tags (nope, it wasn't me)

@Rob

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Rob wrote: @BigD Quote: What happened to Worms Armaggedon? The licence was for a port to Gateway's AmigaNG, when that got canned the licence meant nothing.

Why do you think it was a port for a Gateway machine? That would be news to many (including probably Hyperion).
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@Tigger

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Why do you think it was a port for a Gateway machine? That would be news to many (including probably Hyperion).

The deal was signed in mid 1999 during the Gateway era and AmigaNG is mentioned in the press release.

I think when I asked Rogue a few years ago about an OS4 version and he said that the licence was for AmigaNG and not OS4.

Having done a trawl of the internet, it turns out that there were supposed to be 68K and WarpOS versions too, so I wasn't entirely right.
No idea why these didn't get released. Mathias Roslund aka Amidog might know what happened.

Link to original press release.

@tonyw

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I wonder who wrote it? It seems to be full of the anti-Hyperion rhetoric that one can read from a few regular posters.

Well, it's not like it's a secret, now is it?

Interesting to see that Rob, who is apparently one of the happy OS4 users, has tried to vandalise that page not once, but twice yestderday...

XraalE was the one who added pretty much all of the text.

@umisef

The Wiki page mentions that Ben Hermans had courted controversy by saying that MorphOS was illegal and threatened to take legal action. I think that remember Ben claiming that the MOS developers were legally tainted by having looked at some OS 3.0 source code, but I'm pretty certain the only one to actually threaten legal action was Bill McEwen (with his infamous "we know who you are and are coming to get you" Amiwest speech).

@umisef

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Well, it's not like it's a secret, now is it?

It isn´t. But there is a difference between "influenced information" and "information". This text is definetly a kind of "influenced" one, because it is full of remarks against Hyperion and in pure favourite of Amiga Inc., in a rhetorical manner, missing objective information at all (and I don´t refer to missing links here).

I wouldn´t call it "vandalize" if anybody would try to change the text to a much more objective one, even more as Wikipedia should be no place for questionnable politics as e.g. yours.

Regards

@umisef

Aren't I a naughty boy.

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@umisef

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Well, it's not like it's a secret, now is it?

That article is bad, there's no denying it. A wikipedia entry is not the right place to proove that Hyperion is the source of all evil, especially if all you can supply as evidence is hearsay.

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XraalE was the one who added pretty much all of the text.

That would explain it. It's somewhat hard to believe though, there's not a single swear word or insult on the whole page.

@CodeSmith

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CodeSmith wrote: @umisef The Wiki page mentions that Ben Hermans had courted controversy by saying that MorphOS was illegal and threatened to take legal action. I think that remember Ben claiming that the MOS developers were legally tainted by having looked at some OS 3.0 source code, but I'm pretty certain the only one to actually threaten legal action was Bill McEwen (with his infamous "we know who you are and are coming to get you" Amiwest speech).

Ben has threatened to sue Bill Buck several times over the years, in fact a document of him attempting that very thing is part of the Amiga-Hyperion case. In addition, "we know who you are and we are coming for you", has nothing to do with MorphOS, just FYI.
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@CodeSmith

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The Wiki page mentions that

(and several more)

Please note that my "no secret" comment was in response to "I wonder who wrote it". This being Wikipedia, the complete history of the page is just a few mouse clicks away, and while a couple of authors are identified by IP only, putting those IPs into Google reveals who they are.


As for inaccuracies of or bias in the page, there certainly is a bit of each (for example, OS4/Classic was not distributed in September). That said, the page could be a lot harder on Hyperion, too (for example, it doesn't mention "Midnight Racing" at all, it doesn't mention a consistent pattern of extremely late delivery, it doesn't mention the numerous "this year for sure" comments in '02, '03, '04 and '05). However, most things it does mention are at least close to factually correct (not sure about the H&P as Hyperion distributor thing, though), and while citations are sorely missing ATM, citations generally exist.

@BigD

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BigD wrote: @Helge ... It claims they ... didn't pay their contrators! ...

Hmmm - in the court docs - document 35, page 11, lines 24-26, I found:

"... i.e., Hyperion had not fully paid the third party contractors for such rights. Yet, in a contradictory e-mail from Mr. Carton, he told me that Hyperion had paid all but $40.000 for the source code to OS 4.0, ..."

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@umisef

I wasn't accusing you of bias, I was just mentioning that I think that one specific point is incorrect.