@AmigaPhil

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AmigaPhil wrote: Replying to flipper, I wrote: Quote: nothing new yet on the US PTO regarding the trademarks battle (maybe around mid-March ?) Amiga Inc. has been granted a motion to suspend the proceeding (before the Trademark Trial and Appeal Board) for 180 days, as both parties are engaged in negociations. Proceedings will resume on 11 September 2008, unless any party requests resumption sooner.

That's great news! If an agreement can be reached outside the courts the issue will be settled much sooner and usually in a manner much more benefitial for everybody involved.

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AmigaPhil wrote: ... Amiga Inc. has been granted a motion to suspend the proceeding (before the Trademark Trial and Appeal Board) for 180 days, as both parties are engaged in negociations. Proceedings will resume on 11 September 2008, unless any party requests resumption sooner.

Hello AmigaPhil, can you tell us the source of this information ?

TIA

Zender

Last edited by Zender on 18-Mar-2008 at 09:21 AM.

@Jacken

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Jacken wrote: @Dandy Quote: Absolutely no idea why you think I swore anywhere. Can you please point me to where I swore something (an oath, e.g.)? Can it be possible you took me for someone else? Quote: for the developers who developed the fuc*ing thing? If thats not you, i'm sorry. Or did you mean some other word...???

And where in your quote did I swear something?

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That gives the impression to me that A.Inc suspected (strongly) they were gonna get their collective butts kicked and are now bargaining.

They shoulda done that in the first place instead of causing all this delay.
Do people realise the Amiga Communities helpfulness is now being emulated quite successfully on Ubuntu forums ?

Too much delay




Too much delay.

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@The_Editor

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That gives the impression to me that A.Inc suspected (strongly) they were gonna get their collective butts kicked and are now bargaining.

Or Evert is trying to get back the last deal for $2M since Evert can restart this prior to the 180 days.

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@number6

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Are you referring to the court ordered "mediation"?

No. These negociations are regarding Hyperion's opposition to five of Amiga's filled applications (requests for trademarks registration) to the USPTO.

As if these negociations are influenced by the Hyperion vs Amino mediation, I don't know.

@samface

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That's great news! If an agreement can be reached outside the courts the issue will be settled much sooner and usually in a manner much more benefitial for everybody involved.

Yes, I think so too (if an agreement can be reached).

@Zender

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Hello AmigaPhil, can you tell us the source of this information ?

I won't put a direct link to the doc here, as from what I read on the USPTO site, they don't like that.

Go to the USPTO site (uspto.gov) and click on "Trademarks", then on "9 View TTAB files". The proceeding number to search for is 91181145.

@Dandy
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And where in your quote did I swear something?

Right fuc*ing here:

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for the developers who developed the fuc*ing thing?

Maybe you just aren't aware, "swearing" is a synonym for "cursing".

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@Swoop

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Swoop wrote: @Dirk-B Quote: At one time the boards where sold as "AmigaOne Early Bird systems" and that is why i bought my SE, to support Eyetech and Hyperion. link: http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/press/2ndnov2002.html That's how I bought mine, as an Early Bird system, which included OS4 in the price, not as a developer board. If I remember correctly the developer boards didn't include OS4, and those developers had to purchase their copy of OS4, presumably from Hyperion, or through their dealer.

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That's how I bought mine, as an Early Bird system, which included OS4 in the price, not as a developer board. If I remember correctly the developer boards didn't include OS4, and those developers had to purchase their copy of OS4, presumably from Hyperion, or through their dealer.

Maybe you’re Mixing things up, there where some Teron-SE/XE board sold that where meant for the Linux market, they did not include AmigaOS.

AmigaOne-XE included AmigaOS4 pre developer in the price; if I remember there was discount to earlybird buyers, when the AmigaOS4 pre developer was finished some time in summer of 2004 I think, it was sent free of charge.

AmigaOS4 pre developer version of OS4 was buggy as hell lots of things where missing, it was not polished consumer product at all, lots of network problems, sound problems and lots of things where missing (no AmigaInput, no Warp3D, WarpUP support, stuff missing in prefs programs)

Things improved in updated 1,2,3 and 4 was polished product and then come final, july update.

Final update is some ways a step back because it does not include stuff that was included in update 3 and 4, but instead included improved memory system, shard object support was added in July update.

A more detailed description of what update included and what they fixed is in hyperons news archive.

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Or maybe it was the other way around. What does it matter?

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@AmigaPhil

Found! Thank you!

Zender

@NutsAboutAmiga

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Maybe you're Mixing things up, there where some Teron-SE/XE board sold that where meant for the Linux market, they did not include AmigaOS. AmigaOne-XE included AmigaOS4 pre developer in the price; if I remember there was discount to earlybird buyers, when the AmigaOS4 pre developer was finished some time in summer of 2004 I think, it was sent free of charge.

OS4 wasn't included in the price of systems ordered prior to the early bird scheme although it was implied when the first announcements were made by Eytech in early 2002.

It wasn't until I contacted contacted Eyetech asking what had happened to my copy of OS4, that I was informed that it was an extra. They also let me find out for myself that my Uboot rom was write-protected when I finally did get my copy of OS4.

The trademark application suspension is a bit vauge.

"The parties are actively engaged in negotiations for the settlement of this matter."

I might read this to say....

"As soon as we get done kicking their butts in court."

Plaz

@NutsAboutAmiga

Have a read of the link provided by Tomazkid in post #919.
Info straight from the horses mouth, no need to rely on memory.

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@Step

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Step wrote: @Dandy Quote: That would equal to economic suicide IMO, if they gave away copies of an unreleased OS for free and without any non-disclosure agreements... ... Be certainly gave me a free developer copy long before BeOS was avaible for the public, and microsoft does it all the time too with their software.

[ironic mode]

Certainly.

The Daimler developers get a free example of the new Volvo long berfore the first snapshots of the pretest vehicle are made public and T-System gives copies of their latest C.H.I.P. version to their competitor's developers...

Do you have some more fairytales to tell?

[/ironic mode]

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@damocles

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damocles wrote: @Dandy Quote: Do you speak English (or German)? I highly doubt it would matter to you, either way.

Had you used an understandable english I might have been able to understand what you meant.

But you are of course right - it does not matter what you say - understandable or not...

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damocles wrote: Quote: I realized that the arguments presented to me so far were not sufficiant to convince me... I suspect if the jury's verdict comes out as most of us predicted, you won't accept it either.

As Rogue, others and I repeatedly noticed you are not very good at developing theories...

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damocles wrote: Then explain to me where all the money has gone to that Evert has recieved from sales of OS4 to Itec, OS4 on A1s and now OS4 on Classic? Devs all paid off from that?

Why don't you ask Evert this question?

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@Step

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Step wrote: @Swoop Quote: I bought a system, and I'm not a developer. Well doh, what you end up doing or not doing with the developer system doesn't change it's purpose.

But if "developer systems" are sold to end users, it does...

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@umisef

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umisef wrote: @Dandy Quote: Can you please be a little bit more specific with your accusation I would "twist everything"? Well, for example, your suggestion that Olaf "was ordered" to do the work on the OS3.1 sources is in *direct* contradiction to Olaf's own admission that he was not ordered.

I quoted the contract and by that showed that my initial statement was not fully correct - so your point being?

I noticed that myself and corrected me by quoting the contract - where is "presenting the facts" the same as "twisting things"?

Obviously in your mind...

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umisef wrote: Your suggestion that the thing delivered in 2004 was a release is in direct contradiction to what's written on it.

I also wrote that I didn't receive this CD as I'm not an A1 owner and so could not see what was really written on it and that I had missed the the copy of it attached to the court docs.

What I wrote was how I understood it from the available news.

Becoming personal and trying to dismount my integrity by insulting me does not help your point in any way - more to the contrary...

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@Dandy

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damocles Quote: damocles wrote: @Dandy Quote: Do you speak English (or German)? I highly doubt it would matter to you, either way. Had you used an understandable english I might have been able to understand what you meant. But you are of course right - it does not matter what you say - understandable or not...

Thank you for confirming that it's a waste of my time to communicate with you.


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Quote: damocles wrote: Quote: I realized that the arguments presented to me so far were not sufficiant to convince me... I suspect if the jury's verdict comes out as most of us predicted, you won't accept it either. As Rogue, others and I repeatedly noticed you are not very good at developing theories...

Its more of a guess by basing it on your mind set of your previous posts. Your too emotionally involved with this to be able to see what many of us have been trying to communicate to you. As such, your taking things personal now and I wouldn't be too suprised if you take this reply as a personal attack.

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Quote: damocles wrote: Then explain to me where all the money has gone to that Evert has recieved from sales of OS4 to Itec, OS4 on A1s and now OS4 on Classic? Devs all paid off from that? Why don't you ask Evert this question?

Why not simply answer my questions instead of asking another question? Oh yeah, you don't want to answer that because that would put Evert in a bad light. Can't have that, now can we?

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