@AlexC

Sorry, I make only pretty short answer.

All are my own imaginations anyway.

eveyrthing started very well, but started turn to #### pretty soon. over time it became obvious that se-boards were poorly designed, articia-s has design flaws, via 686b with its undocumented "features" was allmost impossible to get working correctly and so on.

I think that lack of hw-level gurus hit badly developing of os4 as well, since xe-boards allso had their issues still. I think, that xe got new incarnation of articia-s (unconfirmed), but it had still issues with agp, memory, pci generally and so on.

I dont agree with you, that delivered boards were delivered known to be broken forrever. more like etech and hyperion believed, that there is software based workarounds available to fix most probs. 686b problems were cleared pretty late, if I remember correctly. Agp still dont work correctly and never will...

no fingerpointing, ppl made them best, management failed in some level starting with contracts full of holes... (ongoing court case)

My main point of time line for developing time for os4 is, that first original plans were stretched a lot AND "quality" of hardware hits allso to timeline.

still os4 itself is well designed and works with xe and ua1 boards as well as with a1se. SE board is severly broken in many areas but with additional cards it works mostly well albeit usb... :)

Im with you that Ainc and hyperion actually needs each others and they need someone to make hw. They can make meditation, if they will.

Unclear is, that is ainc a) intrested in about desktop at all b) intrested in about os4 at all in any means.

If not, they dont need or want meditation. Actually ongoing it is just good idea to fade it away... They have their amiga nowhere 2 anyway (that was sarcasm...).

last paragraphs were inside topic after all... :)

@mlehto

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Im with you that Ainc and hyperion actually needs each others and they need someone to make hw. They can make meditation, if they will. Unclear is, that is ainc a) intrested in about desktop at all b) intrested in about os4 at all in any means.

Looking at the oldest of postings, it's still quite clear that from both the perspective of Amiga Inc. and Hyperion the idea of a "desktop" was
(1)a gift to the community
(2)a development platform for other more lucrative ideas

Fleecy from April 10, 2001 made this quite clear, and the following thought has been repeated/rephrased on AW many times:

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The reason we restarted AmigaOS development was to give ourselves a home server solution. You get the desktop you have always wanted as an added bonus. Amiga's presence on the x86 will be AmigaDE. By OS5 they will be inseparable anyway.

From Hyperion's perspective, the idea of providing a desktop (beyond being a development platform), was also due to an emotional attachment to the platform.

As to a partial list of purposes for OS4 as related by Hans-Jörg Frieden in June of 2005:

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Hyperion has repeatedly stated that our goal is to place OS 4 in the embedded market, namely for STB's, kiosk systems, point-of-sales and so on.

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@AlexC

" Eyetech dropped out of the game and AInc refused to issue HW licenses to anyone else, that put Hyperion in an awkward position too with no possibility of expanding they're potential market and revenues beyond the fixed and shrinking existing hardware base. "

Where in the contract does it say A.inc is capable of licensing new hardware. The hardware license was given to Eyetech. A whole new contract ( or some kind of addendum with Eyetech's permission) would be needed for someone else to make the hardware.

Considering the contract, and who wrote it, why would A.inc need a new contract when they can buy back the OS. It's not A.Inc's fault that Eyetech bowed out. It's Hyperion's fault for not pursuing a new contract. All parties involved are to blame, BUT . . .

I still think the con-man vs con-man view of the contract still fits . . . It's the only logical reason for continuing OS4 development with the contract as written.

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@number6

Correct.

But what for is that court case then ? Just get name and ip back and then discontinue that nonsense desktop os?

From point of wiev of ainc.

dunno understand that all "desktop os is dead" nonsense. True, handheld and wireless devices are future, new markets are unshare still (and even better, it is more sexy), but desktop is not fading or dissappearing anywhere. Maybe there is even share to make, because main players are loosing bit intrest about that area. At least ms said, that os is not good business any more, whatever it means.

sorry about OT.

@jorkany

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This is one reason why OS4 should be considered Amiga-like and not Amiga. Amiga Inc. is saying, via lawsuit, that Hyperion can no longer use the Amiga trademark.

nah, you forget Amiga Inc., own actions. They pre-sold Os4 as an Amiga product or have you fogotten about the coupons?

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@thread

Seems nothing new will come between 04/24 and 05/30/2008...


Justia Doc 102




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Does anybody know where to find info about the NY case ?

I just can't find the url or reference.

Thanks
Woon

@woon

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Does anybody know where to find info about the NY case ?

Not much online. See
here after answering the captcha.

@woon

So from now they have about a month time to fill his desk
with papers.
I think I guessed this to be over by early 2009
but I am starting to have my doubts. A months delay just like that.

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@umisef

Thank you !

Nothing new indeed !

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@woon

Actually it says there is a hearing on April 1st, (Tuesday) so thats more then I knew before I read it.
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Actually it says there is a hearing on April 1st, (Tuesday) so thats more then I knew before I read it.

April Fools' Day, eh?

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Tigger wrote: @woon Actually it says there is a hearing on April 1st, (Tuesday) so thats more then I knew before I read it. -Tig

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=25297&forum=2&start=740&viewmode=flat&order=0#432068

@Lou

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Lou wrote: @Tigger Quote: Tigger wrote: @woon Actually it says there is a hearing on April 1st, (Tuesday) so thats more then I knew before I read it. -Tig http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=25297&forum=2&start=740&viewmode=flat&order=0#432068

I have no idea what your response means. I see nothing where that points to that implies I knew about an April 1st hearing in the Itec vs Hyperion case, which I now know about. Are you being obtuse or is there an obvious point I am missing?
-Tig

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Tigger wrote: @Lou Quote: Lou wrote: @Tigger [quote] Tigger wrote: @woon Actually it says there is a hearing on April 1st, (Tuesday) so thats more then I knew before I read it. -Tig http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=25297&forum=2&start=740&viewmode=flat&order=0#432068

I have no idea what your response means. I see nothing where that points to that implies I knew about an April 1st hearing in the Itec vs Hyperion case, which I now know about. Are you being obtuse or is there an obvious point I am missing?
-Tig
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At some point prior to that post, a link was given to a recent update about the NY case, which is where I got that date from - all the way back then. You stated that hearing about the April 1st date was new knowledge to you, but I am merely showing you that I informed you about it some time ago. No other implications there.

Locking this thread, it is getting far too big to handle from moderation point of view.



part 2 here.

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