WHY CAN'T SOMEONE!! with decent english capabilities show us or tell us more about what AA2 is all about, and show some examples and describe it too. ???

It seems like the only person here knowing aa2 is linnar, who unfortunately has a very hard time writing english.....respect for trying linnar, but i really need something more easy to read and understand.

ANYONE??? - DEVS??? AMIGA.INC?????

its amazing how nobody knows nothing about AA2!!!!!

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-pekr- wrote: @linnar Linnar - you seem to have access to AA2, right? -[/quote I have download AA2 (AA2-pack take a 210 mb of my harddisk). [quote] What state is it in and what is its purpose?

It's a beta product so far (I download it beginging of 2008).
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It surely is not based upon anything from Tao, so why not SDL, etc?

No, it's a own product with some tool from free groups and other company.
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I come from REBOL land, so I know, why independent system might make some sense, but REBOL at least has clear vision of what it is (is going to be) - RIA platform, along with well thought out language, for small internet-age apps. But what is purpose of AA2 in today's world? Coding in C to being cross-platform?

REBOL's owner is the first Amiga OS coder?

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I think the OS-engine compiles in to the program file. The smalest compiled program file, helloworld.exe, is about 426kb and the bigger, brix.exe, is 447kb.
When I compiled a "Helloworld.ex" in Lcc-c it be ~20kb and a lokalike "brix.exe" ~40kb. 400kb is the OS-engine, I think.

The programcode is the same in all OS but the engine is different to
every OS. Do the code once and compile to all different OS. You don't ned to port
any code.

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Huh ....

Uh, I don't understand....
Is it a Indians?

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Hondo wrote: WHY CAN'T SOMEONE!! with decent english capabilities show us or tell us more about what AA2 is all about, and show some examples and describe it too. ??? It seems like the only person here knowing aa2 is linnar, who unfortunately has a very hard time writing english.....respect for trying linnar, but i really need something more easy to read and understand. ANYONE??? - DEVS??? AMIGA.INC????? its amazing how nobody knows nothing about AA2!!!!!

I do'it more than good !

Here You have a answer why You have bad information:

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My (admittedly limited) understanding of AA is that it's kind of like Java, but much more restrictive and unsupported.

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Dont get me wrong linnar.....I'm glad you try to tell us all a bit of what is going on. I'm only trying to wake up some of the folks who are very good english writers, and who knows all about AA2 - if nobody shows up telling more, then I really hope you will continue writing all you know. - thats absolutely better than total silence from the people in charge.

I was not trying to offend you....it's great you try and tell us.....thanks!

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its amazing how nobody knows nothing about AA2!!!!!

Goes to show how appealing this platform is to the "Amiga community"... Apparently we just don't care to find out.

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WHY CAN'T SOMEONE!! with decent english capabilities show us or tell us more about what AA2 is all about, and show some examples and describe it too. ???

There are very few people on the face of this earth even trying to make anything with AA2 that we are aware of. Its not surprising at all that there is no one to answer your questions on this internet forum so far with the command of English that you desire.

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AMIGA.INC?????

Are you serious? You still have faith in them?????

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DEVS???

http://elysianlabs.com/ is one. They came out with nothing.

User ghauber, owner of Ghostdust Software, is the one person who speaks English well that claimed he would try to make an AA2 program and who claims he is even contracted with Amiga, Inc. that I know of. He was hoping to have an AA2 app out early this year. Nothing came of that to my knowledge.

http://tinyurl.com/6ysw6j
http://www.ghostdust.com/index.html

So if the couple of places even interested have come out with nothing thats probably a pretty good indicator of where AA2 is going. And that looks like the toilet I would speculate.

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its amazing how nobody knows nothing about AA2!!!!!

No its not. Not if you think about it a bit. Plenty of more mature competing technologies from more reputable firms with better partnership programs are out there. A few Amigaheads with programming knowledge wanted to maybe give it a shot. It was never likely to go beyond that. Nobody in the greater "real world" is going to bother.

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Amiga Inc #2 and their AA2 seem like pale shadows of even their former selves (Amiga Inc #1 & AA1/AmigaDE), and hard to take them seriously. I get the impression that they are working on a *really* small shoe-string budget, and that "they" is basically just Bill & Fleecy.

If they put even 1/10th the money going to the lawyers into product development, then things would look a lot better. But I'm not sure that their mysterious backers are really interested in that.

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You're right, nothing has come of my development efforts, and I never finished my project. There have been... issues. I am, however, still on good terms with Amiga, Inc, and AA2 still remains a promising (if under-developed) technology.

Gabriel

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Thanks for taking the time to reply. Are you able to answer anything that Hondo is looking for?

And a question from me if I may. Have any AA2 apps gone beyond running on Windows Mobile yet that you are aware of?

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Hondo's questions are somewhat vague so I'm not sure how to answer them. I believe I've done some explaining of AA2 either in this thread or another thread, early this year. It's hard to really say much without breaking NDA.

As to your question - well, the SDK I have includes toolchain files for wince-arm, win32-x86, linux-x86 and one other target (non Windows).

Gabriel

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Hondo wrote: @linnar Quote: I do'it more than good Dont get me wrong linnar.....I'm glad you try to tell us all a bit of what is going on. I'm only trying to wake up some of the folks who are very good english writers, and who knows all about AA2 - if nobody shows up telling more, then I really hope you will continue writing all you know. - thats absolutely better than total silence from the people in charge. I was not trying to offend you....it's great you try and tell us.....thanks!

Don't worry, I understand!

More than I have download AA2 in this forum!
Why don't they posting about AA2???

Maybe they sitting and programing in AA2 and have not time to posting....


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"It's hard to really say much without breaking NDA."
Yes, it's a problem.

ghauber You have realy programming in AA2 (I have only test). Can You posting some about AA2. Have You EDI? It's easy to do somthing and so on.

I'm to bad to writh in english. I have some to say but it's not easy to do
that for me .

(This forum is a good "traning camp" for me )

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As to your question - well, the SDK I have includes toolchain files for wince-arm, win32-x86, linux-x86 and one other target (non Windows).

I know you can't speak directly for Amiga. But what are your thoughts then on why they themselves don't release Linux versions of these AA2 apps they have? They tout the multi-platform capabilities, and yet I see no proof that AA2 can even truly provide that yet. And lets not forget that AA2 is out almost a year now and was in beta available to people like you before that if memory serves. And if Amiga can't even inspire you enough, a fan and contracted partner, why should anyone expect this platform to go anywhere? Does the Linux toolchain even work??

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I do my code editing on my Mac using Eclipse in the C++ perspective. Unfortunately I haven't figured out how to integrate the build or debugger processes into Eclipse (besides they only run on Windows at the moment), so I do my builds using Ant (I hate makefiles) from a command line running in a WindowsXP install in VMWare.

Gabriel

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Beyond what I know for certain which I can't say anything about, I honestly am not sure why Linux versions of apps have not been released. I could speculate all I want, but it would just be speculation and pretty useless.

Gabriel

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ghauber wrote: @linnar I do my code editing on my Mac using Eclipse in the C++ perspective. Unfortunately I haven't figured out how to integrate the build or debugger processes into Eclipse (besides they only run on Windows at the moment), so I do my builds using Ant (I hate makefiles) from a command line running in a WindowsXP install in VMWare. Gabriel

Tank You!

I use Lcc when I code in C.
I code AA2 in "Pelles C for windows" but i compile in the ugly "New Shell".
I only test AA2 some time.

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http://www.ghostdust.com/tools.html
i see you have maked som java. whot about give it a try on os 4.1

how hard do you think it will be to make aa2 to os 4.1

@ghauber

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ghauber wrote: @fairlanefastback Beyond what I know for certain which I can't say anything about, I honestly am not sure why Linux versions of apps have not been released. I could speculate all I want, but it would just be speculation and pretty useless. Gabriel

Thanks Gabriel. As a consumer though, to me AA2 apps currently just appear to be Windows Mobile apps. And not very special in any way at that. Neither of my cell phones runs that OS either. So this "anywhere" talk in Amiga's branding just seems to be hot air so far.

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retro wrote: @ghauber http://www.ghostdust.com/tools.html i see you have maked som java. whot about give it a try on os 4.1

Since ghauber says he is contracted with Amiga, Inc. And since Amiga, Inc. and Hyperion have not yet worked out their differences it would seem unwise for Gabriel to go supporting OS 4.1 at the moment I would think (if he values his relationship with Amiga).

And retro, once again, can you *PLEASE* use a spell checker.

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Unless Amiga Inc doesn't want OS4 to succeed (*), why shouldn't ghauber support OS4? I don't see how supporting OS4 with programs would affect Amiga Inc's court proceedings in any material way.

(* this is something that I suspect based on their prior behaviour, but it is not provable.)

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