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tomazkid 
Re: This is getting a bit insane...
Posted on 17-Jul-2008 4:15:12
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@umisef

It is all so depressing

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Re: This is getting a bit insane...
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"On the face of it, it does almost seem worth paying the bounty for DCE to release the Cyberstorm and Blizzard schematics, ..."

Didn't knew DCE said how much they wanted, anyone knows how much they asked ?
IIRC they also bought the rights for the G3 and G4 boards for A1200 and A3/4000 respectively, wouldn't it be cool if some were produced

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Re: This is getting a bit insane...
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@Jose

15000 Euro iirc, but I'll leave it to number6 to provide the link, as I've got to go to work now.

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Re: This is getting a bit insane...
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@Boot_WB

15000¤ for all the designs (including the new G3/4 boards) or just the old Cyberstorm/Blizzards ?

Anyway, it doesn't seem like such a big sum. Someone could make a bounty, or a company like DiscreetFx could buy it:)

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Re: This is getting a bit insane...
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15000 Euro iirc, but I'll leave it to number6 to provide the link, as I've got to go to work now.


Must have been someone else.
I've posted some links to ebay auctions on these, but not commented on what you have indicated.

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Re: This is getting a bit insane...
Posted on 19-Jul-2008 21:45:20
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@Jose

Personally, I would prefer to see new hardware capable of running the OS (and if MOS works on it all the better really - as the more the merrier). This hardware should also be a reasonable specification and not cost an arm, a leg and various other internal organs.


cheap and powerful is x86's realm these days...

i read from the tech wiz's here Amiga supporting x86 is difficult due to the array of hardware...

Is there a way to narrow that down...say... only support DELL machines? theres a crap load of those around....maybe not this but another way to narrow it down...

anyone who can answer that for me, please do...

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@number6

1500 euro was the amount rejected by the owner of DCE for the designs of an Amiga2000 PPC card.

He mentioned a 120,000 euro price tag for the Cyberstorm PPC plans.
I guess he would rather get nothing for them. !?

Who knows what cost and time it would take to set up manufacturing after that.
And AmigaInc still comes after you for trying to use OS4 on it.
And OS4 has a limited future on classic.
So don't even think about it anymore.

Hey, I said stop thinking about it.

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@logicalheart

"And AmigaInc still comes after you for trying to use OS4 on it."
No they don't, remember the primary injunction (or WTF that's called) failed. Besides this only relates to Cyberstorm, not OS4.

"And OS4 has a limited future on classic."
Who says so ?

"So don't even think about it anymore.

Hey, I said stop thinking about it."

WHAT ? Cant's hear you mate

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@Jose

IMHO we dont need the dce board designs.

-They'd probably need a lot of rework (Rohs problems, parts problems etc.)
-DCE shouldn't get another cent from this community, they should have provided all drawings to Aminet a long time ago as an excuse for their lies and misbehavings!!
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What we do need is Acube to design a nice new card for the A4000 and A1200.
A card that could easily be extended to become a standalone product, so it has to have RAM, HD interface, USB, etc onboard. Something that makes sense so you shouldn't use the slow interfaces on the Classic Amiga.
MPC8641 or MPC8610 processor based system would be niiice! Now, come on Acube.

I imagine a clever design that allows for the A4K model to be used as a standalone product in a standard pc case and an integrated design for the A1200 that could be used for a portable device aswell

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@Thread

Can't seem to find the thread, it was either here or A.org.
E120000 was around the figure quoted as the original development costs, and it was either E15,000 or E25,000 as a potential starting point for purchase for the (iirc) CSPPC & BPPC schematics in some form.
It was within the last 3 months, but having trawled through A.org I can't find it, and AW.net forum browsing facilities only seem to go back a limited time (only 5 pages browsable under the classic hardware forum).

@Number6
I mentioned you as you seem to have an encyclopaedic knowledge of previous threads and postings , and I thought you'd probably chip in with a link.

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Re: This is getting a bit insane...
Posted on 20-Jul-2008 14:04:32
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Im Selling my Amigaone for 100.000skr :D

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Re: This is getting a bit insane...
Posted on 20-Jul-2008 14:09:18
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@Troels

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-DCE shouldn't get another cent from this community, they should have provided all drawings to Aminet a long time ago as an excuse for their lies and misbehavings!!


Hunh?

After investing large sums of money (I assume) in obtaining/developing the PPC hardware - and despite noise from others Phase5/DCE were the only ones to ever do that for the classic Amiga. Why on earth (aside from wanting something for free) would you expect them to "provide all drawings to Aminet"?

From previous postings it appears (and sounds far more likely imho) that the farce over BPPC/CSPPC repairs was due to Phase5 passing all boards pending repair over to DCE, directing all enquiries their way, but failing to pass on a list of customers to whom the boards belonged.

Perhaps you are referring to something else, but time has passed, DCE were always good hardware designers, so why hold such bitterness?

EDIT: punctuation

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Im Selling my Amigaone for 100.000skr :D



PM snet!!!11!1!!!11

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Re: This is getting a bit insane...
Posted on 20-Jul-2008 14:40:40
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@Troels

Even ACube designed a standalone or addon PPc board, should not they need a licence from Amiga Inc. Because as i remmember without licence no system will be used for Amiga Os 4. I think it will be same bor Shark PPC too.

And if a licence is only requirement then the only thing they should do is make an agreement with AInc for SAM. No need for a new R&D for a new design.

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@aracnet

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Even ACube designed a standalone or addon PPc board, should not they need a licence from Amiga Inc. Because as i remmember without licence no system will be used for Amiga Os 4. I think it will be same bor Shark PPC too.
And if a licence is only requirement then the only thing they should do is make an agreement with AInc for SAM. No need for a new R&D for a new design.


Short version:
ACKcontrols made an attempt with 2 different approaches:
(1)PV LT (full access to the amiga chipset, not unlike the Escena idea)
(2)PV TL (with a carrier board, to later become standalone)
(3)AI killed the talks, according to Adam
(4)Adam then discussed releasing them for OS3.x, just to get "hardware out".

As history shows, that never occurred.
To be clear, since you -did- mention "license" as an issue, yes....

ackcontrols: "Other than I'm likely to release the PV LT without OS4 to get the product out without having to worry about licensing."

Nuff said? The LT wasn't even the one with the carrier board. It was only for OS3.x at that point, and still AI talking license? Stunning!

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@Boot_WB

Im still waiting for that PM

Can you decode !!!11!1!!!11 for me please hehe

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Posted on 27-Jul-2008 15:20:42
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@umisef

Each time you tell your story, I fell obliged to tag on the AI version of part of this, from the perspective of Bolton Peck. Not for you, of course, but for others reading.

Quote:
Amiga and Haage and Partner also, sadly, had their own great differences-and unfortunately the contract of McEwen's Amiga asset purchase from Gateway wasn't written in such a way as to guarantee H & P royalties be paid to Amiga, so H & P didn't pay them. They weren't technically supposed to release Amiga OS XL without Bill's permission because it used Amiga's IP, but they did it anyway. And never paid Amiga any royalties from its sales Or, in fact, from OS 3.9 either.

It also wasn't written in such a way as to keep Petro from doing his own back door deals and in fact Amiga had to keep him on-with pay-even though he was pretty much ganking them the whole time!


source

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