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Re: First Debian Etch Installer CD release!!
Posted on 16-Nov-2012 2:43:59
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@Geri

Okay, after a few hours of testing it seems like adding ide=nodma to my uboot prefs bootargs stops Etch from locking up. Likely not USB related at all. I need to do more testing.

I added the paths to /etc/apt/sources/list as you recommended and did an apt-get update
Here is what it does...

debian:/etc/apt# apt-get update
Ign cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r9 _Etch_ - Official powerpc CD Binary-1 20100523-02:42] etch Release.gpg
Ign cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r9 _Etch_ - Official powerpc CD Binary-1 20100523-02:42] etch Release
Ign cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r9 _Etch_ - Official powerpc CD Binary-1 20100523-02:42] etch/contrib Packages/DiffInde x
Ign cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r9 _Etch_ - Official powerpc CD Binary-1 20100523-02:42] etch/main Packages/DiffIndex
Get:1 http://archive.debian.org lenny Release.gpg [1034B]
Get:2 http://archive.debian.org lenny/updates Release.gpg [836B]
Get:3 http://archive.debian.org lenny Release [99.6kB]
Ign http://archive.debian.org lenny Release
Get:4 http://archive.debian.org lenny/updates Release [92.4kB]
Get:5 http://archive.debian.org lenny/main Packages [5130kB]
Get:6 http://archive.debian.org lenny/contrib Packages [64.6kB]
Get:7 http://archive.debian.org lenny/non-free Packages [80.4kB]
Get:8 http://archive.debian.org lenny/main Sources [2679kB]
Get:9 http://archive.debian.org lenny/contrib Sources [44.6kB]
Get:10 http://archive.debian.org lenny/non-free Sources [55.7kB]
Get:11 http://archive.debian.org lenny/updates/main Packages [336kB]
Get:12 http://archive.debian.org lenny/updates/contrib Packages [769B]
Get:13 http://archive.debian.org lenny/updates/non-free Packages [14B]
Get:14 http://archive.debian.org lenny/updates/main Sources [121kB]
Get:15 http://archive.debian.org lenny/updates/contrib Sources [811B]
Get:16 http://archive.debian.org lenny/updates/non-free Sources [14B]
Fetched 8706kB in 1m20s (109kB/s)
Reading package lists... Done
W: GPG error: http://archive.debian.org lenny Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1337087218 The f ollowing signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY AED4B06F473041FA
W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems

What does this mean? I already AM running apt-update! Do I run it again?

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Re: First Debian Etch Installer CD release!!
Posted on 16-Nov-2012 6:15:43
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Looks like there are no release keys available. Can you show me the output of "apt-key list", please?

You could also try to download this package and directly install it with dpkg:

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dpkg --install debian-archive-keyring_2010.08.28~lenny1_all.deb


You may have to add "--force-bad-verify", in case dpkg moans about missing/wrong signatures, too.

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Re: First Debian Etch Installer CD release!!
Posted on 16-Nov-2012 15:20:35
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@scabit

I'd also suggest removing those Etch CDs from the source list as you'll no longer need them when upgrading. You can do this in Synaptic, the package manager.

You can download a Lenny CD and use it as a reference. It can pick up packages from it. If it's not suitable to download them live when updating.

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Re: First Debian Etch Installer CD release!!
Posted on 16-Nov-2012 15:32:05
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@Geri

Several things.

1) It seems like Etch is pretty stable unless I have something plugged into a USB port. Then after a while (short or long) it just locks up. I have not yet seen it lock up with nothing plugged into a USB port.

2) Well, I did something interesting. I did this: apt-get install mplayer to see if I could install mplayer. What did it do?
Why...it went and downloaded 241 megabytesof Lenny install stuff first, then mplayer. These 350 or so packages all reside in /var/cache/apt/archives.
Then it failed due to key issues.

I downloaded your keyring and installed it using dpkg as you showed. Then for fun I did apt-get install mplayer again. It finished downloading a few megabytes and now seems to be installing.....

.. okay..half an hour or so of installing all sorts of stuff, and it ends with this...

Installing new version of config file /etc/cups/mime.convs ...
Starting Common Unix Printing System: cupsdFATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.18/modules.dep: No such file or directory
FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.18/modules.dep: No such file or directory
.
Setting up cupsys (1.3.8-1+lenny10) ...
Setting up liburi-perl (1.35.dfsg.1-1) ...
Setting up libhtml-tagset-perl (3.20-2) ...
Setting up libhtml-parser-perl (3.56-1+lenny1) ...
Setting up libhtml-tree-perl (3.23-1) ...
Setting up libwww-perl (5.813-1+lenny2) ...
Setting up libxml-parser-perl (2.36-1.1+b1) ...
Setting up libxml-twig-perl (1:3.32-1) ...
Setting up libnet-dbus-perl (0.33.6-1+b1) ...
Setting up system-tools-backends (2.6.0-2lenny4) ...
Reloading system message bus config...done.
Starting System Tools Backends: system-tools-backends.
Setting up liboobs-1-4 (2.22.0-2) ...
Setting up gnome-system-tools (2.22.0-4) ...
Setting up gnome-network-admin (2.22.0-4) ...
Processing triggers for python-support ...
debian:/home/scott/Desktop#

Back to the prompt. The FATAL ERROR - is that bad?
Why do I have no modules.dep file?

So I did a restart of the system. It comes up and asks me to log in. Asks for password. Now I get a gray screen with a pointer. Nothing else.
I hit CTRL-ALT-F1 and get to a shell. But I have no privledges to really do anything (how do I get to a root shell?). It says Debian GNU/Linux 4.0.
All of my packages are still in /var/cache/apt/archives.
I am guessing that for whatever reason the install deleted my old desktop but did not give me a new one.
What do I need to do to set up a desktop? I am in linux limbo right now!

Thanks,

Scott

Last edited by scabit on 16-Nov-2012 at 04:18 PM.
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Re: First Debian Etch Installer CD release!!
Posted on 16-Nov-2012 17:57:18
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@scabit

Quote:
scabit wrote:
@Geri

Several things.

1) It seems like Etch is pretty stable unless I have something plugged into a USB port. Then after a while (short or long) it just locks up. I have not yet seen it lock up with nothing plugged into a USB port.

Interesting. Here it also locked up without any attached USB device. But I blame the etch userspace for this, as the 2.6.18 kernel works well under lenny.

Quote:
2) Well, I did something interesting. I did this: apt-get install mplayer to see if I could install mplayer. What did it do?
Why...it went and downloaded 241 megabytesof Lenny install stuff first, then mplayer.

I hope you completely upgraded to lenny before?

Generally it is not a good idea to mix etch and lenny packages, because package dependencies likely have changed between the releases. It may be okay for apt-get and aptitude (in other words for the few packages that belong to the base system) before a system upgrade, but not for any other package!

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These 350 or so packages all reside in /var/cache/apt/archives.

Yes, apt-get has to download all packages before installation.

Quote:
Then it failed due to key issues.

I downloaded your keyring and installed it using dpkg as you showed. Then for fun I did apt-get install mplayer again. It finished downloading a few megabytes and now seems to be installing.....

.. okay..half an hour or so of installing all sorts of stuff, and it ends with this...

Installing new version of config file /etc/cups/mime.convs ...
Starting Common Unix Printing System: cupsdFATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.18/modules.dep: No such file or directory
FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.18/modules.dep: No such file or directory
.
Setting up cupsys (1.3.8-1+lenny10) ...
Setting up liburi-perl (1.35.dfsg.1-1) ...
Setting up libhtml-tagset-perl (3.20-2) ...
Setting up libhtml-parser-perl (3.56-1+lenny1) ...
Setting up libhtml-tree-perl (3.23-1) ...
Setting up libwww-perl (5.813-1+lenny2) ...
Setting up libxml-parser-perl (2.36-1.1+b1) ...
Setting up libxml-twig-perl (1:3.32-1) ...
Setting up libnet-dbus-perl (0.33.6-1+b1) ...
Setting up system-tools-backends (2.6.0-2lenny4) ...
Reloading system message bus config...done.
Starting System Tools Backends: system-tools-backends.
Setting up liboobs-1-4 (2.22.0-2) ...
Setting up gnome-system-tools (2.22.0-4) ...
Setting up gnome-network-admin (2.22.0-4) ...
Processing triggers for python-support ...
debian:/home/scott/Desktop#

Back to the prompt. The FATAL ERROR - is that bad?
Why do I have no modules.dep file?

Did you install the 2.6.18 kernel modules?

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So I did a restart of the system. It comes up and asks me to log in. Asks for password. Now I get a gray screen with a pointer. Nothing else.
I hit CTRL-ALT-F1 and get to a shell. But I have no privledges to really do anything (how do I get to a root shell?). It says Debian GNU/Linux 4.0.

Ouch! So the root accound doesn't work anymore?

Not sure what has been broken by the install of lenny packages, but you could try the recovery mode of the install CD to get access to the system and to complete the system upgrade. I don't know however if the install CD supports the chroot command (change root), which would be necessary for this. At least you could use it to repair the root account, if it really doesn't work anymore.

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All of my packages are still in /var/cache/apt/archives.

Sure, they are not deleted automatically.

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I am guessing that for whatever reason the install deleted my old desktop but did not give me a new one.
What do I need to do to set up a desktop? I am in linux limbo right now!

It may not be that easy to repair the system. But if you complete the system upgrade (upgrade and not update!), then you could use "tasksel --new-install" to reinstall the desktop environment.

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Re: First Debian Etch Installer CD release!!
Posted on 17-Nov-2012 2:56:12
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@Geri

Quote:
I hope you completely upgraded to lenny before?


No. I have no idea what command is necessary to upgrade to lenny. Would I just do an apt-get upgrade? Would this work since apt-get update has not ever yet succeeded?

Quote:
Ouch! So the root account doesn't work anymore?


How does one get into a root account from the desktop, given no menus, icons etc? It may very well work, I just don't know how to get into it.

Quote:
you could try the recovery mode of the install CD to get access to the system and to complete the system upgrade.


I know how to get into recovery mode, and the fact that I can log onto something at all during a normal "Etch" boot means things should be recoverable somehow. Now, the question again is what is the command to install lenny?
Will apt-get upgrade work? Or:
aptitude update
aptitude update apt aptitude
aptitude upgrade
aptitude install

I cannot afford a lot more bandwidth to download lenny all over again (I only get 5 Gigabytes per month), and I am hoping almost everything I need is still there in archives, just needing to be uncompressed and installed. How much bigger is it?

So please tell me how to perform or finish the system upgrade to lenny.

Thanks!

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Re: First Debian Etch Installer CD release!!
Posted on 17-Nov-2012 12:08:24
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@Hypex

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I'd also suggest removing those Etch CDs from the source list as you'll no longer need them when upgrading. You can do this in Synaptic, the package manager.


Okay....I think I already did that.

Thanks!

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Re: First Debian Etch Installer CD release!!
Posted on 17-Nov-2012 17:24:06
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@scabit

Quote:
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@Geri

Quote:
I hope you completely upgraded to lenny before?


No. I have no idea what command is necessary to upgrade to lenny. Would I just do an apt-get upgrade? Would this work since apt-get update has not ever yet succeeded?

Well, "apt-get update" only updates the list of available package list, nothing else. The GPG error can be overwritten for package installation, but this problem should be gone since you installed lenny's debian-keyring package. Or does "apt-get update" still moan about missing keys?

"apt-get upgrade" should only be used to upgrade packages to their newest version within a release. "apt-get dist-upgrade" or "aptitude [dist|full]-upgrade" are the right tools to upgrade to a newer release, as they also handle changing package dependencies.

Quote:
Quote:
Ouch! So the root account doesn't work anymore?


How does one get into a root account from the desktop, given no menus, icons etc? It may very well work, I just don't know how to get into it.

Do you get a login prompt on one of the virtual consoles (ALT-TAB-F1..F6)? Otherwise you could add "single" to the kernel command line in a1boot.conf (for example by using the installer's recovery mode) to get a login prompt during boot for recovery.

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I know how to get into recovery mode, and the fact that I can log onto something at all during a normal "Etch" boot means things should be recoverable somehow. Now, the question again is what is the command to install lenny?
Will apt-get upgrade work? Or:
aptitude update
aptitude update apt aptitude
aptitude upgrade
aptitude install

I cannot afford a lot more bandwidth to download lenny all over again (I only get 5 Gigabytes per month), and I am hoping almost everything I need is still there in archives, just needing to be uncompressed and installed. How much bigger is it?

First you should update the package list once again to check, if you still get the GPG error:

Quote:
# apt-get update


You can then use the following command (it doesn't install anything) to see how much harddisk space you need resp. how much still has to be downloaded:

Quote:
# aptitude -y -s -f --with-recommends dist-upgrade


Note 1: If aptitude is not installed yet, try to install it first with:

Quote:
# apt-get install aptitude


Note 2: It may be a good idea to change apt's config to prevent further problems during the update with this command:

Quote:
# echo 'APT::Cache-Limit "12500000";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf


Then you should upgrade "dpkg", "apt-get" and "aptitude":

Quote:
# aptitude install aptitude apt dpkg


Since "aptitude" is the recommended tool to use for the upgrade from etch to lenny, you can start the upgrade with:

Quote:
# aptitude safe-upgrade


"aptitude safe-upgrade" only does a minimal upgrade of the base system and thus avoids the removal of a lot of packages.

And if that goes well, you can go on with:

Quote:
# aptitude dist-upgrade


Note 3: you can use aptitude's "--no-install-recommends" option on the [safe|dist]-upgrade steps to limit the number of downloads, but I doubt that it will safe a lot.

Note 4: All the steps above are described in the Debian Lenny release notes (which I mentioned here) in chapter 4.

Let me know, if you run into problems during the upgrade.

Good luck!

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Re: First Debian Etch Installer CD release!!
Posted on 17-Nov-2012 18:24:11
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@Geri

Well, I have read the entire Chapter4 upgrade section for deian Etch to Lenny and here is what I did:

First I booted into my Etch system, logeed in, and did su to become superuser. (root did not work). I then performed the following steps...

1) aptitude update
2) aptitude safe-upgrade (this was about 138 meg of additional stuff)
3) aptitude install - I ran into a problem here, it locked up about 80% of the way!
I had to do a hard reset of the computer, use the rescue/enable=true flag in uboot bootargs and the A1 Etch install CD and get into a root shell on my hard drive. From there, I again did a aptitude install, which completed with several errors (I still have no modules.dep file for example). When it finished, I rebooted and went into Linux.
This time it began to boot and locked up with disabled all process - spawning too fast. It continued to show this again every 5 minutes.
Reboot again using rescue/enable, again did aptitude install...got through it with just 1 or 2 packages needing updates.
4) dpkg --audit shows only fam as half configured
5) shutdown and rebooted
6) Now I get into a full boot - I get a prompt to login. Login and I am in a Lenny shell!
7) Verified version using cat /etc/debian_version, which shows 5.0.10 I hope that is correct.

Of course, still no desktop! Only a unix shell. I can enter superuser mode using su.
I tried using tasksel -- new-install and it started downloading suff showing something like 1 hour 20 minutes of downloads required! That's at around 90-100k/second! Too much! Is the desktop THAT big?
Any way to achieve a smaller desktop / graphical interface?

Thanks,

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Re: First Debian Etch Installer CD release!!
Posted on 17-Nov-2012 20:29:46
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Okay, I found this tutorial for installing xfce and it worked. The problem seemed to be that gdm had never been run, so no desktop was setup. Anyway, xfce is 25meg,while gnome is 248 meg and kde-desktop is 488 meg!

I downloaded xfce and set it up, used gdm, and now have a desktop upon boot.

Still a couple of things that need resolution.

1) how exactly do I install the kernel so that I have a valid modules.dep file?

2) How can I set up sound so it works? I tried using the alsa config and it seems to find nothing. mplayer of course can't find any sound system so it exits....

3) I noticed that when I plug in my 2gig USB flash drive, it is seen and mounted, but when I try to open it, it locks up the system solid. Requires a physical reset or power down. What's up with that? This is the onboard USB for the micro A1.

Thanks for your help!


Scott

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Re: First Debian Etch Installer CD release!!
Posted on 17-Nov-2012 21:45:01
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@scabit

Quote:
scabit wrote:
@Geri

Well, I have read the entire Chapter4 upgrade section for deian Etch to Lenny and here is what I did:

First I booted into my Etch system, logeed in, and did su to become superuser. (root did not work). I then performed the following steps...

1) aptitude update
2) aptitude safe-upgrade (this was about 138 meg of additional stuff)
3) aptitude install - I ran into a problem here, it locked up about 80% of the way!

"aptitude install" or "aptitude dist-upgrade"?

Quote:
I had to do a hard reset of the computer, use the rescue/enable=true flag in uboot bootargs and the A1 Etch install CD and get into a root shell on my hard drive. From there, I again did a aptitude install, which completed with several errors (I still have no modules.dep file for example).

Sometimes "dpkg --configure -a" helps here, because it configures all unpacked packages. Then you can go on with "aptitude dist-upgrade".

As for the modules.dep file: Did you install the kernel modules in /lib/modules/? There should be a directory named after the kernel version. If yes, then simply try to run "depmod".

Quote:
When it finished, I rebooted and went into Linux.
This time it began to boot and locked up with disabled all process - spawning too fast. It continued to show this again every 5 minutes.
Reboot again using rescue/enable, again did aptitude install...got through it with just 1 or 2 packages needing updates.
4) dpkg --audit shows only fam as half configured
5) shutdown and rebooted
6) Now I get into a full boot - I get a prompt to login. Login and I am in a Lenny shell!
7) Verified version using cat /etc/debian_version, which shows 5.0.10 I hope that is correct.

I still wonder why you write "aptitude install", but somehow it must have worked...

Quote:
Of course, still no desktop! Only a unix shell. I can enter superuser mode using su.
I tried using tasksel -- new-install and it started downloading suff showing something like 1 hour 20 minutes of downloads required! That's at around 90-100k/second! Too much! Is the desktop THAT big?

Yes, GNOME is big!

Quote:
Any way to achieve a smaller desktop / graphical interface?

If you start aptitude without any argument, then you get a more or less easy to use GUI. You can use the arrow keys to navigate to the "Tasks" entry, which lists some preconfigured entries for all available desktop environments.

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Quote:
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Okay, I found this tutorial for installing xfce and it worked. The problem seemed to be that gdm had never been run, so no desktop was setup. Anyway, xfce is 25meg,while gnome is 248 meg and kde-desktop is 488 meg!

I downloaded xfce and set it up, used gdm, and now have a desktop upon boot.

Still a couple of things that need resolution.

1) how exactly do I install the kernel so that I have a valid modules.dep file?

The kernel modules are available here: linux-2.6.18.tar.bz2

Quote:
2) How can I set up sound so it works? I tried using the alsa config and it seems to find nothing. mplayer of course can't find any sound system so it exits....

That sounds like the kernel modules are not installed. If that's done, then alsaconf should find something.

Quote:
3) I noticed that when I plug in my 2gig USB flash drive, it is seen and mounted, but when I try to open it, it locks up the system solid. Requires a physical reset or power down. What's up with that? This is the onboard USB for the micro A1.

Can you please try to mount it manually on a virtual console without logging in to the desktop environment? I wonder, if it shows a kernel panic...

Quote:
# mount -t vfat /dev/sdx1 /mnt/


Replace "x" with the correct letter for the device (usually "a").

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@Geri

Hi, it turns out that I already had the kernel files I needed in tar.gz format in my boot directory, but didn't know how to install them. These are I believe the kernel files and modules you produced for Hypex (and others) some time ago for installing Etch. I uncompressed them, copied the folder boot/lib/modules/2.6.18 over to /bin/modules/2.6.18 and then ran depmod. After a restart, I was able to run alsaconf and set it up. In mixer I can now see my audio driver.
A small problem is that I have no sound programs. I looked using aptitude for some sort of AMP player, but can't figure out what it is named.

Now..USB. A couple of observations. USB mice and keyboards work fine on the front panel USB ports of the micro A1 in Lenny. I plugged in a USB DVD/rw drive and it, like my flash card, locks up the A1 solid. Even CTRL-ALT-DEL does nothing.
As you suggested, I booted debian lenny and did a CTRL-ALT-F1 before entering the login screen.
However, as soon as I plug in my usb flash drive, debian sees it and mounts it...I had no time to type to use my own mount command....
I get messages saying it is mounting sda using SCSI emulation, then an error saying "sda unknown partition table: followed by al ine that shows "0:0:0:0 attached SCSI removable disk sda" then the computer locks up.

Does that help?

Mplayer still doesn't work. It begins to load, for example, an AVI, then gives me a fatal error saying "illegal instruction" and quits.

Now, lets try something complicated. Currently, my Debian hard drive partition is on the primary Sil0680 controller as master. The partition is the second one, which makes it hda2. My bootargs in uboot are:

root=/dev/hda2 ide-reverse hde=noprobe hdf-noprobe l2cr=0x80000000

I want to disconnect this hard drive from the sil0680 card and move it to be the master on the micro A1 internal IDE bus. There will be no sil0680 card installed. In order to allow lenny to boot properly, do I need to change the bootargs (and a1boot.conf in my lenny /boot folder) to this:

root=/dev/hda2 l2cr=0x80000000

Will that work? I need to do this in lenny (change a1boot.conf) BEFORE i disconnect and physically move the drive, yes? Otherwise I won't be able to boot into lenny and will have to go through the rescue/enable nightmare again?
Once that is done and working, I want to install a VIA VT6421 IDE/SATA controller (with 4 USB 2 ports) in the single PCI slot of my micro A1. What, if anything, will I need to do to get lenny to see this new hardware and get it to use both the VIA 6214 USB controller and the VIA 6421 SATA controller?
From what I can gather, both of these chips should be supported hardware-wise in the default lenny kernel, yes? Are they supported in the kernel you built that I am using?
Will I need to do another depmod, or something else? Or will I need a new kernel compiled?

Thanks for your time! PErhaps we need to start a new thread about Debian Lenny?

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Re: First Debian Etch Installer CD release!!
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Hi, it turns out that I already had the kernel files I needed in tar.gz format in my boot directory, but didn't know how to install them. These are I believe the kernel files and modules you produced for Hypex (and others) some time ago for installing Etch. I uncompressed them, copied the folder boot/lib/modules/2.6.18 over to /bin/modules/2.6.18 and then ran depmod.

Actually the archive is build so that you just have to decompress it in "/" and everything is on its place.

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After a restart, I was able to run alsaconf and set it up. In mixer I can now see my audio driver.
A small problem is that I have no sound programs. I looked using aptitude for some sort of AMP player, but can't figure out what it is named.

You can install XMMS(2), which is similar to Winamp. Nowadays distributions usually install Rhythmbox or Banshee under GNOME (thus they may need a lot of other packages, but aptitude will tell you have much has to be downloaded) or Amarok under KDE.

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Now..USB. A couple of observations. USB mice and keyboards work fine on the front panel USB ports of the micro A1 in Lenny. I plugged in a USB DVD/rw drive and it, like my flash card, locks up the A1 solid. Even CTRL-ALT-DEL does nothing.
As you suggested, I booted debian lenny and did a CTRL-ALT-F1 before entering the login screen.
However, as soon as I plug in my usb flash drive, debian sees it and mounts it...I had no time to type to use my own mount command....

You would have to stop the hal daemon before (as root) with:

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# /etc/init.d/hal stop


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I get messages saying it is mounting sda using SCSI emulation, then an error saying "sda unknown partition table: followed by al ine that shows "0:0:0:0 attached SCSI removable disk sda" then the computer locks up.

Okay, that doesn't look like a kernel panic. But does it also moan about the unknown partition table, if you plug in a USB stick (which usually has a MBR partition table)?

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Does that help?

Maybe you can try to explicitly disable the L2 cache by changing the l2cr kernel option to l2cr=0x00000000 (all zero). I just wonder, if the L2 cache makes any difference.

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Mplayer still doesn't work. It begins to load, for example, an AVI, then gives me a fatal error saying "illegal instruction" and quits.

That is usually a sign of hardware problems (faulty RAM or bad CPU cooling), but Linux on the A1 has always been a special case. AFAIK Debian doesn't compile in any Altivec support, so I think we can rule this out as root cause.

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Now, lets try something complicated. Currently, my Debian hard drive partition is on the primary Sil0680 controller as master. The partition is the second one, which makes it hda2. My bootargs in uboot are:

root=/dev/hda2 ide-reverse hde=noprobe hdf-noprobe l2cr=0x80000000

I want to disconnect this hard drive from the sil0680 card and move it to be the master on the micro A1 internal IDE bus. There will be no sil0680 card installed. In order to allow lenny to boot properly, do I need to change the bootargs (and a1boot.conf in my lenny /boot folder) to this:

root=/dev/hda2 l2cr=0x80000000

Will that work? I need to do this in lenny (change a1boot.conf) BEFORE i disconnect and physically move the drive, yes? Otherwise I won't be able to boot into lenny and will have to go through the rescue/enable nightmare again?

Yes, that should work, if you do it before you physically move the drive. The most important option that has to be removed is "ide=reverse".

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Once that is done and working, I want to install a VIA VT6421 IDE/SATA controller (with 4 USB 2 ports) in the single PCI slot of my micro A1. What, if anything, will I need to do to get lenny to see this new hardware and get it to use both the VIA 6214 USB controller and the VIA 6421 SATA controller?
From what I can gather, both of these chips should be supported hardware-wise in the default lenny kernel, yes? Are they supported in the kernel you built that I am using?

The USB controller should work and will be detected automatically, but I'm afraid I didn't activate support for the VIA SATA controller (because it was not supported by OS4 at that time - is it now?).

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Will I need to do another depmod, or something else? Or will I need a new kernel compiled?

A depmod is not necessary, but the module for the VIA SATA controller has to be compiled. If you want to boot from the VIA SATA controller, then you would have to recompile the kernel. But U-Boot doesn't support booting from the VIA SATA controller anyway.

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Thanks for your time!

Your welcome!

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PErhaps we need to start a new thread about Debian Lenny?

It looks like some threads about installing Linux on the A1 disappeared from the forum . Actually my plan was to write a documentation on the amigaone-linux wiki, but my spare time is quite limited nowadays.

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Re: First Debian Etch Installer CD release!!
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I'll try the suggestions with the USB hal STOP and l2cr setting to see what happens. And yes, when I said my USB drive locks it up, I mean both my DVD/rw USB drive and my standard 2 gigabyte flash stick. It is formatted under windows XP on a PC, and works fine with AmigaOS4.1 and windows XP. But it seems to kill Linux somehow, as does the DVD/rw USB drive which also works under OS4.1 and Windows XP just fine.

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The USB controller should work and will be detected automatically, but I'm afraid I didn't activate support for the VIA SATA controller (because it was not supported by OS4 at that time - is it now?).


No, not yet. I don't need to boot from the VIA SATA controller, yet. Just to be able to access it. I can boot from the microA1 on board IDE. Note - I have the .o files for Linux (redhat,Fedora and mandrake) as well as the raid source code (viapubraid.c and viapubraid.h) for linux that came with the card.
So it looks like I need to go read the tutorials about how to compile a new kernel eh? Any hints to help get me started, particularly for the micro A1?

OH, one other thing I was wondering...is it possible to have a hard drive partition be "sharable" between Amiga OS4.1 and Lenny? I recall seeing some FXT2 support on OS4depot a long time ago (limited to a few gig) so OS4.1 can read and mount FXT2 drive partitions. It would be great to be able to transfer data between the two systems easily. How o I go about running partitioner again to "add" a new drive partition to Lenny if I wanted to do this?

Thanks again. As for writing a tutorial....sadly, the way I did it was not straight forward or direct - by far not the easiest way. But I could certainly try to help you proof read and test any tutorial you wished to write. Didn't you put together a minimal Lenny install CD for the Amiga? THat would be perfect, instead of having to install Etch and then download Lenny as well (double the effort!).

Let me know your uggestions for compiling a kernel for the microA1 (what modules I need, what to stay away from etc), and I'll post more findings on my USB lockups.

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Re: First Debian Etch Installer CD release!!
Posted on 18-Nov-2012 16:01:20
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Okay, here is the mplayer failed output messages:

MPlayer 1.0rc2-4.3.2-DFSG-free (C) 2000-2007 MPlayer Team
AltiVec not found
CPU: PowerPC
mplayer: could not connect to socket
mplayer: No such file or directory
Failed to open LIRC support. You will not be able to use your remote control.

Playing 2009_1202Californy0137.AVI.
AVI file format detected.
[aviheader] Video stream found, -vid 0
[aviheader] Audio stream found, -aid 1
VIDEO: [MJPG] 640x480 24bpp 30.000 fps 9210.4 kbps (1124.3 kbyte/s)
==========================================================================
Opening video decoder: [ffmpeg] FFmpeg's libavcodec codec family
Selected video codec: [ffmjpeg] vfm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg MJPEG decoder)
==========================================================================
==========================================================================
Opening audio decoder: [pcm] Uncompressed PCM audio decoder
AUDIO: 16000 Hz, 1 ch, u8, 128.0 kbit/100.00% (ratio: 16000->16000)
Selected audio codec: [pcm] afm: pcm (Uncompressed PCM)
==========================================================================
AO: [alsa] 48000Hz 1ch u8 (1 bytes per sample)
Starting playback...
VDec: vo config request - 640 x 480 (preferred colorspace: Planar 422P)


MPlayer interrupted by signal 4 in module: decode_video
- MPlayer crashed by an 'Illegal Instruction'.
It may be a bug in our new runtime CPU-detection code...
Please read DOCS/HTML/en/bugreports.html.
- MPlayer crashed by bad usage of CPU/FPU/RAM.
Recompile MPlayer with --enable-debug and make a 'gdb' backtrace and
disassembly. Details in DOCS/HTML/en/bugreports_what.html#bugreports_crash.
- MPlayer crashed. This shouldn't happen.
It can be a bug in the MPlayer code _or_ in your drivers _or_ in your
gcc version. If you think it's MPlayer's fault, please read
DOCS/HTML/en/bugreports.html and follow the instructions there. We can't and
won't help unless you provide this information when reporting a possible bug.
[ This binary of MPlayer in Debian is currently compiled with
'--enable-debug'; the debugging symbols are in the package
'mplayer-dbg'.]


...Now for USB....

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You would have to stop the hal daemon before (as root) with...


Okay, here is some morei nfo for the USB failures.

I open a terminal prior to logging in to Lenny, use su to enter superuser mode.
type " /etc/init.d/hal stop" - it shows the hal layer is stopped

I plug in the USB flash stick, I get the exact same info as before - mounting sda etc. It still shows the sda unknown partition table error, but this time it DOES NOT lock up!
I type "mount -t vfat /dev/sda /mnt/" and it gets mounted in /mnt/

Ls /mnt/ and there it is! I can access the data just fine. No lockups.

umount /mnt/ - it is unmounted okay, no lockups.

My USB DVD/rw is similar. I plug it in, no lockups. I haven't gotten it to mount though, when I try:

"mount -t iso9660 /dev/sg0 /mnt/" I get the error "/dev/sg0 is not a block device" and it does not mount.

I can go into Lenny xfce desktop and open a root shell and do the same thing, but of course mounted devices do NOT show up on the desktop. They must be accessed through the file manager. I need to figure out how to open a root file manager....that is not intuitive. But as long as I stop the hal, I do not get lockups.
One more thing, the rear USB on the micro a1 - named usb 1-1: when it mounts (as opposed to usb 2-1: on the front panel) seem to work with hal stopped, but immediately lock up the machine with hal active, even when I try USB mice or keyboards that work fine in the front USB ports without hal stopped.

So the hardware abstraction layer is somehow causing problems. An ideas on how to fix that?

Oh, I tried the l2cr=0x00000000 and it doesn't seem to affect anything (just makes things a little slower).

Do we need a new kernel (which I want to build anyway to include the VIA SATA controller) for Lenny so USB works properly?
Oh, isn't the onboard micro A1 IDE VIA also? A different chipset no doubt than the combined VT6421 PATA/SATA controller.

Anyway, I await your suggestions on setting up and building a new kernel for my machine!

Thanks for taking the time to walk me through this. There is a lot to learn.

Scott

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Re: First Debian Etch Installer CD release!!
Posted on 18-Nov-2012 17:50:58
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I'll try the suggestions with the USB hal STOP and l2cr setting to see what happens. And yes, when I said my USB drive locks it up, I mean both my DVD/rw USB drive and my standard 2 gigabyte flash stick. It is formatted under windows XP on a PC, and works fine with AmigaOS4.1 and windows XP. But it seems to kill Linux somehow, as does the DVD/rw USB drive which also works under OS4.1 and Windows XP just fine.

Okay.

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Quote:
The USB controller should work and will be detected automatically, but I'm afraid I didn't activate support for the VIA SATA controller (because it was not supported by OS4 at that time - is it now?).


No, not yet. I don't need to boot from the VIA SATA controller, yet. Just to be able to access it. I can boot from the microA1 on board IDE. Note - I have the .o files for Linux (redhat,Fedora and mandrake) as well as the raid source code (viapubraid.c and viapubraid.h) for linux that came with the card.

Forget about the .o files and the source code that comes with the CD. This driver was probably compiled for x86 and surely not even written for any other CPU architecture in mind.
Support for VIA SATA hardware is included in the v2.6.18 kernel. Only the corresponding config option is not set. I'll check, if I compiled in the driver in a newer kernel version.

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OH, one other thing I was wondering...is it possible to have a hard drive partition be "sharable" between Amiga OS4.1 and Lenny? I recall seeing some FXT2 support on OS4depot a long time ago (limited to a few gig) so OS4.1 can read and mount FXT2 drive partitions. It would be great to be able to transfer data between the two systems easily. How o I go about running partitioner again to "add" a new drive partition to Lenny if I wanted to do this?

Why not using an Amiga FFS partition for this? Create one with the MediaToolBox under OS4 and let Linux mount it during boot with this line added to /etc/fstab:

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/dev/hdxy  /home/your-username/amiga  affs  rw,auto,nosuid,nodev,protect,usemp,uid=youruid,gid=yourgid  0  0


Create the "amiga" directory in your home directory and replace "youruid" and "yourgid" with your user and group id. These are the two numbers after your username in /etc/passwd. That should make the files readable and writeable for your user.

Naturally /dev/hdxy has to point to the correct partition.

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Thanks again. As for writing a tutorial....sadly, the way I did it was not straight forward or direct - by far not the easiest way. But I could certainly try to help you proof read and test any tutorial you wished to write. Didn't you put together a minimal Lenny install CD for the Amiga? THat would be perfect, instead of having to install Etch and then download Lenny as well (double the effort!).

Thanks for the offer! I'm afraid however that I can't spend a lot of time on this tutorial at the moment. Maybe around chrismas, but don't hold your breath.

Regarding the Lenny install CD: there was a netinstall image that could be booted directly, i.e. you could not burn it onto a CD. Instead you could directly write it to a small partition (let's say 32MB) and boot it with U-Boot's diskboot command. Basically it is just a combined U-Boot image that contains the kernel and the Debian Lenny netinstall initramfs ramdisk. Everything else is downloaded from the internet.

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Let me know your uggestions for compiling a kernel for the microA1 (what modules I need, what to stay away from etc), and I'll post more findings on my USB lockups.

It needs a little bit longer to explain this. Basically all A1 specific files (config and patches) for the 2.6.18 kernel are available on the download page of the amigaone-linux.sourceforge.net. You would have to get Debian Etch 2.6.18 kernel sources, patch them with the A1 patches, copy the A1 config into the kernel directory, change the config for your SATA controller and run the kernel build.

But let me check first, if the driver is included in a newer kernel.

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Re: First Debian Etch Installer CD release!!
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Okay, here is the mplayer failed output messages:

MPlayer 1.0rc2-4.3.2-DFSG-free (C) 2000-2007 MPlayer Team
AltiVec not found
CPU: PowerPC
...cut...
MPlayer interrupted by signal 4 in module: decode_video
- MPlayer crashed by an 'Illegal Instruction'.
It may be a bug in our new runtime CPU-detection code...
Please read DOCS/HTML/en/bugreports.html.
- MPlayer crashed by bad usage of CPU/FPU/RAM.
Recompile MPlayer with --enable-debug and make a 'gdb' backtrace and
disassembly. Details in DOCS/HTML/en/bugreports_what.html#bugreports_crash.
- MPlayer crashed. This shouldn't happen.
It can be a bug in the MPlayer code _or_ in your drivers _or_ in your
gcc version. If you think it's MPlayer's fault, please read
DOCS/HTML/en/bugreports.html and follow the instructions there. We can't and
won't help unless you provide this information when reporting a possible bug.
[ This binary of MPlayer in Debian is currently compiled with
'--enable-debug'; the debugging symbols are in the package
'mplayer-dbg'.]

According to this bug report, it looks like MPlayer was indeed compiled with Altivec support:

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=506570

You could give VLC a try!?

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...Now for USB....

Quote:
You would have to stop the hal daemon before (as root) with...


Okay, here is some morei nfo for the USB failures.

I open a terminal prior to logging in to Lenny, use su to enter superuser mode.
type " /etc/init.d/hal stop" - it shows the hal layer is stopped

I plug in the USB flash stick, I get the exact same info as before - mounting sda etc. It still shows the sda unknown partition table error, but this time it DOES NOT lock up!
I type "mount -t vfat /dev/sda /mnt/" and it gets mounted in /mnt/

Ls /mnt/ and there it is! I can access the data just fine. No lockups.

umount /mnt/ - it is unmounted okay, no lockups.

My USB DVD/rw is similar. I plug it in, no lockups. I haven't gotten it to mount though, when I try:

"mount -t iso9660 /dev/sg0 /mnt/" I get the error "/dev/sg0 is not a block device" and it does not mount.

Normally a CD/DVD drive should have a device node like /dev/sr0. Does /dev/sr0 exist?

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I can go into Lenny xfce desktop and open a root shell and do the same thing, but of course mounted devices do NOT show up on the desktop. They must be accessed through the file manager. I need to figure out how to open a root file manager....that is not intuitive. But as long as I stop the hal, I do not get lockups.
One more thing, the rear USB on the micro a1 - named usb 1-1: when it mounts (as opposed to usb 2-1: on the front panel) seem to work with hal stopped, but immediately lock up the machine with hal active, even when I try USB mice or keyboards that work fine in the front USB ports without hal stopped.

So the hardware abstraction layer is somehow causing problems. An ideas on how to fix that?

Not at the moment. As I may have mentioned before, I have a similar problem, if I switch front and rear ports. But IIRC then it locks up even without any USB device attached.

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Oh, I tried the l2cr=0x00000000 and it doesn't seem to affect anything (just makes things a little slower).

Good to know. I have problems with the L2 cache and memtester here, thus I wanted to rule it out.

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Do we need a new kernel (which I want to build anyway to include the VIA SATA controller) for Lenny so USB works properly?

I'm not sure, if the lockups are related to the kernel. Normally I would expect a kernel panic, but a straight lockup is hard to diagnose from the distance. Maybe I can reproduce it here, but again - don't hold your breath.

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Oh, isn't the onboard micro A1 IDE VIA also? A different chipset no doubt than the combined VT6421 PATA/SATA controller.

Yes, it is. But SATA surely needs a different driver.

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Anyway, I await your suggestions on setting up and building a new kernel for my machine!

Give me a little bit time to see, if I have another working kernel for you. My A1 is currently out of order, because it is awaiting a new PSU and that complicates things a little bit.

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Thanks for taking the time to walk me through this. There is a lot to learn.

There is a lot more to learn!

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Re: First Debian Etch Installer CD release!!
Posted on 21-Nov-2012 5:53:53
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I look forward to a new working kernel. I have begun looking into the kernel building process and have a few questions.

1) There no longer sems to be a way to apt-get install linux-source-2.6.18, only 2.6.26 is available. Can that be used with the micro AmigaOne?

2) Looking at some of the modules of the kernel (2.6.26) using make menuconfig:

a) Is the correct processor choice 512x/52xx/6xx/7xx etc for G3 support? There is nothing that says G3 specifically (750fx) and the others are obviously not it!

b) I can readily find drivers for the AC97 VT82C686, but I don't see how to select a particular video card (i.e. Radeon 7000).

c) I notice there is something called Amiga Partition Table Support. Is that good?

d) It looks like most options are defaulted for an Apple Power MAC. I turned off some of the MAC specific options. Is that a good thing to do?

e) Not seeing 3Com network support. Is it just generic?

f) Do I need some special (not included) drivers for AmigaOne boards?

g) If I were to build a new kernel, is there a safe way to test it without destroying the old one? That is, once I do a "dpkg -i .deb" ... if things go bad, is there an easy way to recover after I reboot?

This is all new to me, so sorry for so many questions. I really apprecaite your time helping me with this.

Oh, by the way, I changed my a1boot.conf file to remove ide=reverse and am plugged into the onboard IDE port of my micro - working well. I have then plugged in a USB2 (VT6214) / EIDE/SATA controller PCI card and booted in Lenny. It took a LONG time to boot...it was thinking about something! Anyway, here I am typing this from IceWeasel. Anyway, lspci does NOT show my USB2 / IDE/SATA card at all. Plugging in USB devices to it does nothing that I can tell, even when I look do grep SCSI /var/log/messages - I see nothing happen (AFAIK) with the PCI based USB2 port, only the internal USB. Any idea why that would be?


UPDATE - just figured out the syba PCI card was not seated properly in the PCI slot. Reseated it and now lspci shows my VIA USB2 as well as VIA EIDE/SATA chips. Also there is no wait when Lenny boots up as there was before.


Thanks!

Scott

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I uncompressed them, copied the folder boot/lib/modules/2.6.18 over to /bin/modules/2.6.18 and then ran depmod


No, no , no. As Geri said it must be uncompressed directly to "/" or the [Root] Filesystem.

The modules must be in /lib/modules/2.6.18. IIRC I provided instructions for the modules in my first post but I may have provided them for the desktop only while trying to make it easy on everyone.

I have a DOS3 FFS partition I used to share with Linux. But I don't recall adding it to fstab. It was a long time ago but this works and you don't have to fiddle on the OS4 side. As long as you don't mind sharing an old slow filesystem without a journal.

Another thing I suggest if you want to swap around drives is to specify the label to boot from. I found this trick recently. For example if your Debian install was labelled Debian use this as the root bootarg:

root=/dev/disk/by-label/Debian

You will need to label it in the partitioner or a tool such as GParted.

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