Watching this video it seems that (almost in some operations) Sam440 beats an AmigaOne G4 800

http://pferrucci.club.fr/video/compare.avi

Here more infos about it

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@samo79

Hehe.... I like 130+ frame per second.
533Mhz and a Good Hard Disk does the trick for me, finger crossed this weekend I will have my SAM440 666Mhz version running OS4.1... AmigaKit, please hurry.

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@samo79

I won't bother to dl the video. We loaded ZoneXplorer, a fractal generator, on a G3 micro (800MHz) & the 667MHz SAM at Amiwest. We set the screen mode on both systems the same, set the app up to render a full screen. The micro finished the render while the SAM was just over half done. Both were running 4.1.

I have CPUTemp.docky installed & ZoneExplorer is one of the few apps that drive the temperature of the G3 up when its rendering, very cpu intensive.

The SAM may be faster at some things on paper, but not for cpu intensive apps. The SAM felt just as snappy as the micro doing other things I tried.

edit: changed GFX intensive apps to cpu intensive apps

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@sundown

Interesting. It just confirms what was expected and said : the CPU speed is lower on the Sam440 but as its access to devices is faster (RAM, disk, video,...), the overall feeling is about the same than on a MicroAOne.

Stephen Fellner, the author of DvPlayer, had a nice and true explanation about that. We will have to optimize some apps, as in the good time !

Thanks for the video, Elwood !

Last edited by corto on 20-Oct-2008 at 06:32 AM.

@corto

To be fair, ZoneExplorer is 68k & not native, so an emulation speed test as well. If Blender or Aladdin have a native release, that'll be another test. Cpu intensive apps should be faster on the micro with the higher clock speed & the L2 cache.

DvPlayer worked well at full screen on the SAM. The 400MHz EFICA played videos at full screen as well, but I noticed a very slight delay clicking on icons verse the faster A1s.

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@sundown

This comparison is showing a overall efficiency of system. This what I can see the use of AmigaOS4.1 on Sam440 is the same comfortable as the AmigaONE.

This performance includes the starting programs, speed of using workbench etc.

IF someone is using a Amiga for some "number crunching" that the faster processor the better :).

But for someone who finally will have a chance to use AmigaOS4.x there is no difference between the "speed" of processor in general use (working on word processor, drawing simple pictures, web browsing etc.).

Sam440 is "minimum" to be comfortable with AmigaOS4.x I HOPE since this is my theory, for now ;).

From my point of view EVERY THINK will be faster than Apollo 040 :) (20MIPS vs 1300MIPS )

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But for someone who finally will have a chance to use AmigaOS4.x there is no difference between the "speed" of processor in general use (working on word processor, drawing simple pictures, web browsing etc.).

You are correct, I'm not trying to take anything away from the SAM, it felt the same as the micro in all other respects. The idea that the SAM is faster then the A1s just isn't true.


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From my point of view EVERY THINK will be faster than Apollo 040 :)

If you get a SAM, I suggest you sell your 040 system, you'll never go back.
I have a nice 4000T/060 with a PIV gfx card, I don't turn it on much any more, but when I do, I alway think its locked up on me because it responds so slow to mouse clicks compared to the micro.

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@sundown

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The idea that the SAM is faster then the A1s just isn't true.

To be precise. Looking at the raw cpu power.

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If you get a SAM, I suggest you sell your 040 system, you'll never go back

I owned this hardware "always" I will be using it until will dye... ;)

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Just one point here,

SAM's are the new low end machine.
SAM's are available.
SAM's with options (like pci slots) are coming.

MicroA1-C's are not in production.
MicroA1-C's are not perfect.

Getting a SAM to replace legacy M68K hardware and even PPC accelerated machines is a MAJOR upgrade so the point is moot.

ps. my micro is for sale.

Last edited by kindergip on 20-Oct-2008 at 07:25 PM.

@sundown 

"I have CPUTemp.docky installed & ZoneExplorer is one of the few apps that drive the temperature of the G3 up when its rendering, very cpu intensive."

ZoneXplorer is a fractal generator, its normal it use all the CPU available. (nothing to do with GFX speed at all)

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@sundown

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The idea that the SAM is faster then the A1s just isn't true.

Exactly.

Of course, the SATA disks on Sam are faster than IDE disks on the A1. This also explains the difference.

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@Framiga

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ZoneXplorer is a fractal generator, its normal it use all the CPU available. (nothing to do with GFX speed at all)

You are correct, I edited that statement from GFX to cpu, thanks for spotting that.

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@sundown

Hmm, without my reading glasses I missed the G4 statement
and only found myself relating to the G3 micro comparison
with the SAM.

My G4 altivec XE@933MHz, with a 9250 AGP 256M 128 bit gfx card
and 2G of RAM moves faster than SAM with 4.1 but my micro falls
behind on "feel" with slight choppiness in display gfx. Using
ssolie's micro and the SAM side by each at AmiWest gave the edge to
SAM under 4.1 for most things not requiring CPU horsepower.

To 040, 060 and 603/604e legacy machine users a SAM will fly.

Last edited by kindergip on 20-Oct-2008 at 08:15 PM.

@kindergip

For today people like me are happy :).

I was going to buy a PPC... dusted, old, used maybe will fail tomorrow morning and for how much $700.

Any hardware which is working with AmigaOS4.x is better than 040,060, or like you mentioned BPPC.

I just can wait now! ;)

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@kindergip

The micro only has 32MB of video ram vs the SAM with 64MB. The micro can be slower if you run WB in 32 bit with compositing turned on as you tend to run low on video memory. At first it bugged me that I had to fall back to 16 bit, but I just can't see the difference. Compositing got a little annoying to me, so I turned it off & still left WB at 16 bit.

For the average user, the SAM is nice & has a much better h/w & gfx chip then the micro. My main interest is 3d, so it'll be interesting to compare the SAM & micro if/when Blender or ppc Aladdin comes out.

Give me a high end SAM & I'll jump on it.

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@samo79
Samo the video is very longest to download it for my Internet connection
but about the speed it can to be true, with my K7 of 600 MHZ running more quickly that other K7 to 800, the trick a faster hardisk, a good graphics card, much memory, the hard disk good desfrag and few stupids things running in the system, the big problem with the system Windos.

@samo79

Just watched the video, a nice demo on what the SAM can do. The speed difference is in the loading times, the SAM should be faster with sata drives, but the demo doesn't compare the speed difference between cpu types as the title suggests. If I didn't have a micro, I would buy a SAM.

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[Oct 21 09:18:54 UTC] Automatic processor type detection did not
recognize the processor (tag: "OS4:0xd")
[Oct 21 09:18:54 UTC] RC5-72: using core #0 (MH 2-pipe).
[Oct 21 09:19:13 UTC] RC5-72: Benchmark for core #0 (MH 2-pipe)
0.00:00:16.84 [1,960,601 keys/sec]
[Oct 21 09:19:13 UTC] RC5-72: using core #1 (KKS 2-pipe).
[Oct 21 09:19:32 UTC] RC5-72: Benchmark for core #1 (KKS 2-pipe)
0.00:00:16.72 [2,107,190 keys/sec]
[Oct 21 09:19:32 UTC] RC5-72: using core #2 (KKS 604e).
[Oct 21 09:19:52 UTC] RC5-72: Benchmark for core #2 (KKS 604e)
0.00:00:17.06 [2,004,948 keys/sec]
[Oct 21 09:19:52 UTC] RC5-72: using core #5 (MH 1-pipe).
[Oct 21 09:20:10 UTC] RC5-72: Benchmark for core #5 (MH 1-pipe)
0.00:00:16.15 [1,897,051 keys/sec]
[Oct 21 09:20:10 UTC] RC5-72: using core #6 (MH 1-pipe 604e).
[Oct 21 09:20:29 UTC] RC5-72: Benchmark for core #6 (MH 1-pipe 604e)
0.00:00:16.74 [1,908,945 keys/sec]
[Oct 21 09:20:29 UTC] OGR-P2: using core #0 (KOGE 2.0 Scalar).
[Oct 21 09:20:48 UTC] OGR-P2: Benchmark for core #0 (KOGE 2.0 Scalar)
0.00:00:16.59 [9,712,713 nodes/sec]

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@samo79

very snappy indeed! an exhaustive and clear direct comparision. Thanks Elwood

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