@sundown

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Since when did Hyperion start issuing licences?

From my new AmigaOS 4.1 Quickstart Guide : Page 3

You own the media on which AmigaOS is recorded but Hyperion and/or Hyperion's licensor(s) retain title to the AmigaOS

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@Spectre660

I should have been more specific. A software license is standard, but some here are implying a hardware license for OS4.
Maybe ppl are confusing a porting fee with a h/w license.

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@Troika

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umisef wrote: @Troika Quote: This is one of our Software development and testing systems used in our development program. That is the reference board. It most decidedly is *not* the board which you hinted at with the first post in this thread. The board in this photo has 6 magnetics packages for the 6 ethernet ports (4 are visible at the top left, next to that tangle of power cables). "Your board" has only one such package. In other words --- business as usual for Troika. Posting photos of things which would be lying around most small to medium sized tech companies, and posting board layouts which at best indicate a passing familiarity with layout programs.

So now the question for us not as technical as this is who do we believe. Umisef or Troika?

Troika do you care to refute any of this?

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Sorry guys. I'm going to hit the BS button on this one.

@Troika

If you have something real to show us, please do. Otherwise, the door is right over there.

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The question is... would you buy a 300$ computer..

And yes I proberly would do it.

but youre track record and pictures in this tread don't convince me you will even release anything, I hope you prove me wrong but I dobt it.

RWO

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@CodeSmith

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There are only a few of us willing to hear you out, and if you lose our goodwill by playing games you'll find that you have no-one left to sell to.

Wanted to thank you for you well thought out and written post.

We addressed much of what you asked in our “sneak peak” and we will answer questions like yours where we can. Many other questions are nitpicking at words looking to make some drama or play games, in our view its

This thread is not complex its so very, very simple. We seek feedback via this poll on one of our possible Amy production motherboards.

We are not asking for deposits, sales or pre-anything. If x, y, and z fall into place and we can proceed with production. We will be then be more open, and forthcoming with the finished product and demos of it.

When the Developer Series Amy becomes available for sale, that in our view is the correct time to compare products etc. Fair enough?

excuse my poor text I'm tired

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@Troika

Thanks for your reply above (#128).

I will consider your products further when they become available for sale.

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@fairlanefastback

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So now the question for us not as technical as this is who do we believe. Umisef or Troika?

Just have a look by yourself. I took that image of Freescale's board and put it together with Troika's "design" nearby:

Have a look at the result:
http://img7.imageshack.us/my.php?image=freescale2ey7.jpg

Or, both images one on top of another:
http://img7.imageshack.us/my.php?image=freescale2ey7.jpg

(Mod's note: Made the links clickable.)

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@sundown

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I should have been more specific. A software license is standard, but some here are implying a hardware license for OS4. Maybe ppl are confusing a porting fee with a h/w license.

So Amiga inc. actually did grant a license for sam440 (and future sam designs)?

I seriously didn't know that.

I checked their website, and last OS4 related hardware news was from may 2007, and it was about the designs by ACK Software Controls.

Also I think it would be weird from them to grant them a license so that they could compete with their official hardware partner (ACK) and not announce it to the public in any way. Especially when another OS4 supported hardware (sam) is already publicly available for sale.

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@Jupp3

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Also I think it would be weird from them (Amiga Inc) to grant them a license so that they could compete with their official hardware partner (ACK) and not announce it to the public in any way.

That actually had me giggling into my cappuccino, so thank you for that.

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I should have been more specific. A software license is standard, but some here are implying a hardware license for OS4. Maybe ppl are confusing a porting fee with a h/w license.

No, I think it is you that is getting confused on terminology: When people say "OS4 license" they almost always mean "OS4 license for hardware".

And to answer your original question, Hyperion started issuing OS4 hardware licenses once they thought they owned it, or at least were legally allowed to act as if they owned it until the court case concludes. See the ACube+Hyperion announcements, with conspicuous absence of Amiga Inc anywhere.

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@Dandy

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Dandy wrote: @Hammer Quote: Hammer wrote: ... Majority of X86 PCs bieng sold these days are laptops i.e. quad-core not required. ... Laptop not required here - I would prefer a quadcore PPC system over a laptop anytime...

I only stated the market trends. Don't worry, quad core laptops are in the road map, but they are redundant in heavy FP workloads in the light of OpenCL/CUDA(C99) GpGPUs.

I would prefer CUDA’s SIMT** (single instruction multi-threads) over VMX/SSE's SIMD on FP extensive applications.

**SIMD like model, but with data can be decoupled or non-related (i.e. due to scalar arrays design) and each data element is scheduled with a separate thread.

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anyway back to original question

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Sam is low end system but for many outside the community it's a way owerpriced system. If Troika can sell a board cheaper it will attract new people or people who are not into the Amiga fan trip. At the end, Acube will maybe drop the price of the SAM.

well SAM can be considered as entry level system just in terms of hardware configuration but I have to admit there are people WITHIN the community considering it way overpriced too...

So board with power and price of pegasos II could be interesting...

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Many other questions are nitpicking at words looking to make some drama or play games

I disagree, but since it is *you* that started to "play games" or seek "some drama", one thinks you are hardly in a position to complain. And so far you are doing exactly what you did with Amy'05 & Panda:

1. Try to tease us with PCB schematics (e.g. Amy), or a photo of the *reference board* that it is supposedly based upon (e.g. Panda).

2. Have silly forum polls & competitions.

3. Avoid mentioning whether you have a license for Amiga OS4. So we can assume you don't.

Have you learnt NOTHING? That was a f***ing PR disaster. Please find someone different to handle PR.


BTW, do you think we have forgotten that you claimed to have given Hyperion a prototype board of Amy (or was Panda?) to port OS4 to, yet they confirmed to have never received such a board? Why should we trust you now? I only see only two options (1) full disclosure of what happened in the past, and why you made so MANY false promises, or (2) shut-up until you show us a working board (not reference design) with OS4 running on it.

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i dont see what the big deal is. isnt the question "Would you purchase an Amy Developer MB for $300-350 US /227 Euro?". seems very simple to me, i dont know why so many are getting bent out of shape.

they post a schematic, people ask for more proof. they post pics of the dev board, people say that is not good enough. just going around in circles now...

ignore the word 'troika', assume its a generic company, and now answer the question. is your answer the same?

mine is no. for a low spec, i want it cheaper. if it was a bit more expensive and a laptop, i would consider that.

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i dont see what the big deal is. isnt the question "Would you purchase an Amy Developer MB for $300-350 US /227 Euro?". seems very simple to me, i dont know why so many are getting bent out of shape.

Knowing all the "successes" and "products" of Troika company people are just getting sceptic. Why should they react differently if troika, with their extremely weak reputation, is trying to pay their attention? Why should they trust that Troika may deliver anything at all? Why should they believe, that removing some elements from the reference board (they haven't done anything else) turns this board to be "designed for AmigaOS"?

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they post a schematic,

Nope. They post a layout, which you most likely get from freescale as a HW vendor.

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they post pics of the dev board,

They post pics of freescale dev board (not their own product), which you may easily buy at DigiKey for either 338 USD (kit) or 790USD (board reference).

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ignore the word 'troika', assume its a generic company, and now answer the question. is your answer the same?

No it wouldn't. It's a bad reputation of Troika and a list of their bad designs and failures, that makes the difference. :)

@Troika

is not the true picture of the motherboard


Why????

@Geennaam

I am more intrigued by the fact that it's been photographed on a carpet...

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by ChrisH on 6-Feb-2009 10:21:53 @Troika I disagree, but since it is *you* that started to "play games" or seek "some drama", one thinks you are hardly in a position to complain. And so far you are doing exactly what you did with Amy'05 & Panda: 1. Try to tease us with PCB schematics (e.g. Amy), or a photo of the *reference board* that it is supposedly based upon (e.g. Panda). 2. Have silly forum polls & competitions. 3. Avoid mentioning whether you have a license for Amiga OS4. So we can assume you don't. Have you learnt NOTHING? That was a f***ing PR disaster. Please find someone different to handle PR. BTW, do you think we have forgotten that you claimed to have given Hyperion a prototype board of Amy (or was Panda?) to port OS4 to, yet they confirmed to have never received such a board? Why should we trust you now? I only see only two options (1) full disclosure of what happened in the past, and why you made so MANY false promises, or (2) shut-up until you show us a working board (not reference design) with OS4 running on it.

100% agree on this one......

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@Troika:

Well this poll is not very usefull in my opinion since the low end market is covered by SAMs on the one hand (well expect for the price) and the question of interest is (at least for me) dependent on the time when this developer MB could be available!

Let's say somebody is interested ,then he/she surely does not want to wait a few years more to get his/her interest satisfied!

As said: At least I wouldn't want to wait!

Bye