@stedy

Power, yessssssssss, give us more POWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



So, when is this 1.5ghz machine coming, coz until then, I do not think any of us will be buying something less anymore.

We got enough low end, and that his been discussed way too much in this thread already.

SO, give us what most of us want. We will buy, I mean, if I obught a sam for 1600 AUD dollars, Imagine what I would do with a 1000 AUD dollars 1.5Ghz athena, panda, or whatever you want to call the damn board.



Im already drewling over the capabilities of such power CPU with Amiga OS4.2 (ooopssss) I meant , OS4.1 for now.

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@Gebrochen

Don't get too carried away. He didn't actually say that a 1.5 GHz board was coming, just that this was the fastest speed that was commercially available. I do not recommend that anyone who was thinking of buying a SAM delay waiting for the Hercules board, since Stedy has said that it is still in early development, and Troika haven't actually delivered anything yet (although it looks like that could change).

@stedy

Thanks for the explanations. I had a quick look at the specs of the e500 and QorIQ. Whilst I like the multi-core nature of the QorIQ (8 cores @ 1.5 GHz with max 30W power consumption sounds good), I find information about altivec/VMX/vector unit a bit thin. Does the e500 have an altivec compatible unit? Or is its vector unit different?

Like most here, I'd be interested in a high-end board, not in a low end one. I hope that you are successful this time round.

Hans

EDIT: That should read 1.5 GHz, not 1.5 Hz.

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@stedy

Nicely explained.

Well...What are you Faffarsing about here for.. GET CRACKING.. 1.5 ghz is good to go.

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@Hans

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Does the e500 have an altivec compatible unit?

No.

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@billt

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billt wrote: @Hans Quote: Does the e500 have an altivec compatible unit? No.

Does it have any vector unit? If so, where would I find basic specs, short of digging through datasheets and reference manuals?

Hans

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@stedy: Thank you, that´s at least an explanation. I wished "Troika" made this explanation before he started the poll here. I he works for/with you, you should talk to him, because his comments here were no good PR for Troika.

And: It´s better to come back with a real product instead of creating polls with photos of unfinished products.

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@The_Editor

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Nicely explained.

Yes, it was clearly explained just how doomed this entire project has been, even though it was a noble effort. Troika lacked management not only to make things happen, but to happen on time PLUS the lack of in house skills, funding, and experience. There is a time and place when to stop doing CPR, Troika needs to re-examine where they are, where they needed to be and what the future looks like in between compressions. I know it's painful to stop and realize the money, effort, and time wasted on a company, but it has to be done eventually.

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@Kronos

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Well, you did NOT say "we received other boards"

Obviously I didn't because in that context, it was irrelevant. The context was that it was claimed we had received an Amy'05 and/or Panda board. That is what I commented on, nothing else. I hinted at NOTHING, and any claims to that are ridiculous.

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Intentional or not, thats the hint-hint-nudge-nudge game in it's purest form.

Quite the contrary. It *would* have been a hint-hint-nudge-nudge post if I had said something about another board which I clearly didn't. It would have been a hint-hint-nudge-nudge post if I had tried hint at anything, which I didn't.

Your post, however, is FUD spreading in the purest form.

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@billt

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Where do the Friedens work?

I have an office, thank you :)

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@Hans
Apparently e500 has a small vector unit, I dod not know abotu that until doing your searching for you. :p . Here's a comparison between e600 and e500. Here's a
more brief presentation about e500.

I have not looked through to see if e500mc keeps whatever this other vector unit is.
e500mc pdf presentation
e500mc video presentation

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@stedy

Please co-operate with companies like bplan/Genesi/ACube to get things done !

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@stedy

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The first was an incorrect announcement toward the end of 2005 about the board being ready. I'm surprised no-one heard me scream when that announcement was made.

Who made the announcement incorrectly?

Why did you not correct the announcement (especially since you are President of the company)?

How many people work for this company BTW?

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The Panda platform was being handled by a partner at the time. For reasons unknown to me, it did not get shipped to Hyperion. It was also an expensive board, cost about $2000.

And you never got this resolved why exactly? Years later you left this situation in a state where the "reasons (are) unknown to me" as President of your firm??

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September 2006 the lawsuit between Hyperion and Amiga Inc started and OS4 licences were not available.

The lawsuit started April 26, 2007.
http://news.justia.com/cases/featured/washington/wawdce/2:2007cv00631/143245/
Though I'll grant you trouble was brewing earlier I am sure.

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Rogue wrote: @stedy Quote: For reasons unknown to me, it did not get shipped to Hyperion. It was also an expensive board, cost about $2000. I know the reason. If you want to discuss it, I propose you contact me by email.

So a Hyperion contractor knows why Troika's own partner did not ship a board to Hyperion but Troika does not know? Or are we going to hear that this mystery firm is partnered with both Troika and Hyperion, but that only Hyperion (and its contractors) gets the inside info, even though the this board was commissioned by Troika?

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@fairlanefastback and others

Heh... take it down a notch, ok? You all 'might' be construed as being combatant with this current line of questioning.

Respect, please. For everyone and from everyone.

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@Yo

I'm not being combative. These are simple and direct questions.

I'm a consumer. I have the right to ask such questions of a firm trying to sell me something.

You are being over-sensitive.

Its not as if I am mocking Troika like so many posts mock Microsoft for instance. I don't see calls for "respect" then.

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RE: "Would you buy" etc.

Sure, running OS4. For those of you with A1s or SAMs (or now Pegs), good for you. However, not many 'outsiders,' and even some Amiga 'fanatics' would pay the asking price for a SAM, and I think if everyone will for a moment relieve themselves of the unlikelihood of manufacturing a 'power system' at a reasonable price with quantities in the hundreds (hint - it won't happen for anywhere you'd be willing to pay), you'd surely agree that new users would be a *good* thing? The above board is priced where SAM should have been, but wasn't, and would be a welcome addition.

That still leaves, well, 'Troika.' Stop pretending you're *designing* something by removing some traces off a reference board. Stop pretending it's 'designed for OS4.' If something was designed by Freescale (or the Chinese company/'Panda'), and NOT TROIKA, we're all quite clear it was not in fact designed by Troika, let alone 'for OS4.' Your less than truthfulness really is *not* becoming, or likely to make people want to do *any* business with you at all, given your past history.

Nor is your continual side-stepping of 'will OS4 be ported to it'/'license' issues. You may think the misinformation and avoidance is somehow 'clever,' but all you're doing is driving home another nail in the Troika 'coffin.'

Work it out with Hyperion, and come back with a *clear* statement 'porting work is underway, and the board will be available < some date >'. If Hyperion and you are working on the port but under NDA because of the current legal issues, fine...let us know when it's resolved, but a 'sneak peek' of someone *elses* board, with half-information..is just useless and shooting yourselves in the foot.

IF you ever product *anything*, WITH OS4.x...at that price, I'll take two. And I expect far more than the few AW posters already with a system running OS4...would as well.

@stedy
Thanks for the detailed, honest, response. Perhaps you should consider doing the 'PR' for Troika, to avoid yet more of the same vapor 'clever' (yet not) threads like this?

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A high end #Mobo or a Laptop would sell.

I'd buy both of those.

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