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Some history on the sale of the domain:

http://www.domainsherpa.com/ali-zandi-flippa-interview/#comment-4288695
and
http://www.domainsherpa.com/ali-zandi-flippa-interview/#comment-4288700

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Since there have been many comments (mostly concerning the CommodoreSmart folks) in relation to C=Holdings B.V. not having a current website, I thought I would mention a link that just appeared:

http://www.tulip.com/

In itself a link to the name of the old Tulip company declared bankrupt (see earlier posts this thread) is odd, imo.

But it becomes a bit more odd I think when you see where the link comes from:

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Adres C= holdings b.v. Claudius prinsenlaan 128 4818 CP Breda Website http://www.tulip.com

If anyone who reads Dutch can confirm this is the same C=Holdings B.V. and this connection to Tulip, I'd appreciate it, although the history fits.

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Bah. Getting behind. Too many lawsuits to follow.

Regarding lawsuit described in post #99 this thread:

resolved

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ORDER: For the reasons stated above, the Court concludes that it lacks personal jurisdiction over the Petition against GBC Bank. Accordingly, IT IS HEREBY ORDERED THAT C=Holdings's Petition is dismissed and the Restraining Notice is vacated. The Clerk of the Court is respectfully directed to close this case.

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I loved reading those comments by the judge, who was the witness, or do you know?

Sure. Ben Van Wijhe, mentioned many times in this and other threads I've posted to concerning Commodore history.

It's interesting to note this was discussed in detail in 2011 between myself and Barry Altman:

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Eugene van Os is truly the white knight is this adventure. Do not believe anything that was reported in the recent SEC filings by Asiarim. There were outright lies and misinformation filed that is being corrected and hopefully investigated by the SEC as we speak.

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As it turns out, Commodore did have a "new daddy", just as Barry said, whereas all the people calling the statement a lie...were, in fact, the liars here. (evil grin)

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@Robert,

A good start!

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What do you call a group of 1,000 attorneys at the bottom of the Ocean?

Pray, tell.

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I loved reading those comments by the judge, who was the witness, or do you know?

Selling something to a 3rd party that you don't own yet is a trick that should be punishable by law I would think. I wonder if that witness was crapping in his pants while admitting to the judge that he had sold something he did not own two days prior to asking to purchase the same item/rights/IP?

What a circus all of this has been for so many years.

What do you call a group of 1,000 attorneys at the bottom of the Ocean?














Answer: (A good start!)

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C=Holdings B.V. has filed yet another lawsuit.

C=Holdings B.V. v. GBC International Bank

a bit more detail

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Amazingly more paperwork has been filed even after the initial lawsuit was resolved. So, afaik, Commodore (C=Holdings B.V.) is still engaged in THAT plus the 2 newer lawsuits referred to.

But today I thought for those who never read the initial documents, I would post just a few of the exchanges between the judge and the defendents.
Why? I think to dispel the notion that people calling themselves owners and holding like grim death onto IP aren't necessarily skilled in doing that.

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THE COURT: What are you going to buy from them? Buy the brand from [Ebben and Hoogstrate]. What brand are you referring to? THE WITNESS: No. This is the Commodore brand. This is the brand I referred to, I guess, but - THE COURT: Okay. This is dated November 4th of 2011. THE WITNESS: Yes. THE COURT: Hadn't you already sold the brand to somebody else? THE WITNESS: No. We transferred the brand out to Commodore Gaming Limited. THE COURT: So that's a new trick. You're going to buy the brand from [Ebben and Hoogstrate] after you've already transferred the brand to somebody else. How are you going to do that? THE WITNESS: No. Cannot. THE COURT: You can't do that? THE WITNESS: No, cannot. THE COURT: So how are you going to buy the brand from [Ebben and Hoogstrate]? THE WITNESS: I don't know who I - what I wrote here - THE COURT: Mm-hmm. THE WITNESS: - but because C=Holdings owned and held the brand rights before November 2nd, before the reverse of the board and the transfer of the brand [to] Commodore Gaming, I guess this is kind of typing, writing, that I have still C=Holdings and the brand as one in my head when I write this. THE COURT: Even though two days [earlier], according to you, the brand was transferred out? You're under oath. You understand that? THE WITNESS: Yes, yes. THE COURT: So you're going to tell me here, to my face, that on November 4th, you're talking about buying the brand, even though you knew full well you had transferred the brand two days before; that's what you're telling me? THE WITNESS: I don't know what I wrote here -

Another classic exchange:

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THE COURT: So rather than e-mail you these papers, he brought them with him on a plane from Hong Kong to give to you in Shanghai while he was traveling with his family? That's your testimony? THE WITNESS: Yes. THE COURT: Because it was easier to do that than to just hit a button and send you the documents?

You gotta love sarcasm.
I hereby nominate "I don't know what I wrote here" to join the all time Commodore and Amiga book of classic phrases.

Source, in case the .pdf mentioned above seems too daunting to read

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Don't mind me. Just using this thread as a historical notepad of sorts. heh.

Ran into a 2nd Trademark link and I see a difference.

http://www.trademarkia.com/c-commodore-85832898.html

Word Mark: C COMMODORE

whereas:

http://www.trademarkia.com/commodore-73360490.html

Word Mark: COMMODORE

Same group. Same Attorney.



http://drimble.nl/bedrijf/breda/17369940/c-holdings-bv.html

Can anyone confirm this is the same company?

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Scary imo, given the history


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Meet the excellent services from Asiarim Corporation. Our business is dedicated to becoming one of the leading investment services companies in the industry.

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I'll be really interested once anyone with a legal right to any of the trademarks, copyrights, or licensing ownership rights, does something that is actually productive or interesting for the Amiga community.

This is quite a different world from Commodore Amiga with everything under one roof. Even at that, most people would say that 3rd party drove the innovations of the platform. This obviously came along with support from the parent company.

We obviously do not have such 3rd party innovations today. The term "sustainable market" springs to mind. Some former Amiga companies and personalities still have similar emotional/nostalgic ties like the users do, but as real businesses they have to go where the money is.
In addition to the challenge of income, IP would also play a part in any companies' involvement. Commodore IP has clarity, Amiga IP not.

Oddly the only effort remotely sparking inquiries about opportunities was the effort that caused so much angst here. As it turns out, with the change in Commodore ownership, perhaps it was all for the best that no other companies became entangled.

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You misunderstand my boredom. I am always interested in Amiga & Commodore information, but it would be terribly boring for me to do the kind of research that you have the patience to do.

That is why I thanked you for doing it and providing us with updates.

I might not be as interested in ownership, trademark, and copyright issues as you or some other members here, I do understand the connection and the interest that many people have regarding such issues.

I'll be really interested once anyone with a legal right to any of the trademarks, copyrights, or licensing ownership rights, does something that is actually productive or interesting for the Amiga community. Other than what Hyperion has been able to do over the past several years, none of the others who have some kind of claim to a legal connection to anything Amiga or Commodore related have done anything news worthy, in my opinion of course.

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because they are boring as can be to me.

I can understand that. But even if one is not interested in this history, one has to remember that the former "owners" caused possibly the biggest stir on the Commodore and Amiga websites due to their licensing deals.

Unlike most people who assume the undisputed current owner is likely to do as little as Yeahronimo/Asiarim did in 10 years...
I think it's worth keeping an eye on these folks for not only how their actions might affect Commodore Amiga fans, but also to watch for opportunities in the unlikely event that they arise.

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@number6

I admire your perseverance in researching these things, because they are boring as can be to me. It is nice to have someone who does not mind sorting all of it out (as much as is possible).

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However, atm, I see Asiarims former website is not allowing access, at least with my browser. http://www.asiarim.net

Apparently since the website is no longer at that address, the announcement required by the court was posted here:

http://asiarim.info/press.html

So the court order regarding notification has been done through Asiarim, SEC, and notification of the 2 licensees. (earlier links about Manomio bare this out)

Still no idea what the 2 new lawsuits are about. *shrug*

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Apparently 2 more actions have been filed:

April 24, 2014 for "Other Statutory Actions"

and

May 13, 2014 also for "Other Statutory Actions"

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While Manomio's website and all social media seem to have ceased February-March, 2014, I found an article from April:

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The Commodore 64 emulator for the iPhone has disappeared via app store due towards the ability to get up most important interpretor, but Manomio has patched the matter and submitted the update, so hopefully we'll visualize it back online soon.

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Hmm..."2014.05.04" yet this could be an older story, but I'll leave the post.

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Apparently the link in post #86 is dead.

Manomio.com now takes me to godaddy.

*shrug*

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Found a bit about the aftermath of the lawsuit concerning Manomio and Elite Systems.

Manomio relationship with Commodore and Elite

details on action from February, after the lawsuit resolution

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Also, many of the games which were originally included (or included as in-app purchases) within the iPhone app have been withdrawn and are no longer available - even to people who have paid for them as in-app purchases.

ouch

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