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For those that don't know the Amiga connection:

http://www.manomio.com/index.php/dotc/

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Defender of the Crown - Emulated Amiga Version Brought to you by Cinemaware® in association with Manomio

Title also mentioned by name being distributed by Hyperion on:

http://hyperion-entertainment.biz/

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Persuant to the link above which states:

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Plus, the court ordered corrective advertising explaining the court's findings on Asiarim's website, also to be sent to the two licensees/potential licensees named in the case "and any other customers who purchased Commodore-branded computers from or discussed entering into licensing agreements with Asiarim."  Also, the court ordered Asiarim to file a corrective statement with the SEC, and stated that it would refer the matter to the SEC.

Here is the official 8-K corrective statement from Asiarim for SEC:

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1415813/000101968714000593/r8k-021914arm.htm

I don't get anything from Asiarim's former website:

http://www.asiarim.net

As far as compliance with the order to notify both CommodoreUSA and Manomio, as stated in the document and referred to as "the two licensees", I have nothing in print.

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A short summary that appeared recently for those who don't want to wade through the longer summations:

Recent Trial Victory for C=Holdings B.V.

Also, I heard some questions over time about what this meant regarding status of previously branded (Commodore) products from Asiarim. Although this source is a blog, I found it interesting:

falsely claiming continued TM ownership leads to liability

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the mere fact that the Commodore products Asiarim advertised were once authentic does not mean that they continued to be when the trademark owner, C=Holdings, withdrew its permission.

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This is a brand page for the C COMMODORE trademark by C= Holdings B.V. in Breda, , 4818CP. Write a review about a product or service associated with this C COMMODORE trademark. Or, contact the owner C= Holdings B.V. of the C COMMODORE trademark by filing a request to communicate with the Legal Correspondent for licensing, use, and/or questions related to the C COMMODORE trademark. Status Update! On Tuesday, January 14, 2014, status on the C COMMODORE trademark changed to REGISTERED.

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Without question this refers to the same folks mentioned:
http://www.commodorecorp.com/

I think this and other bits gives some credence to the notion of a restart.

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So how did this affect the license that CUSA had? Who supplied the license for their use of the commodore banding.

Here's where written facts might well differ from "the" facts.
I've linked in the past to Asiarim's documents filed with the SEC, which mentioned the CommodoreUSA licensing. And at the start of this whole affair, it was clear the Asiarim (Ben Van Wijhe) was drawn out to respond to Barry after Barry used the Commodore logo early on for just that purpose...discovering the one claiming ownership of the Commodore IP.

However, we also have posts here from Barry that indicate a relationship or at the very least communications with the other side, Commodore Holdings.

There is a phrase "hedging one's bets" that might point to both, but that's something never stated for the record.

What I DO find curious though, is that there is not one "hit" for CommodoreUSA in the case .pdf.
Whereas, in the documents submitted during discovery, both Manomio AND CommodoreUSA were always mentioned in the same vein, if not the same sentence.
Asiarim's stance was that they had not brought fees up to date basically.
Commodore Holdings maintained the licenses for both were null and void.

But unless I missed something, Commodore Holdings never mentioned whether they had their own licensing agreements with both Manomio and CommodoreUSA or whether they intend to attempt a revival of such agreements for their own use.

We'll see.

Added: announcement on Trademark Licensing Agreement from Asiarim to CommodoreUSA LLC

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C= Holdings.

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So how did this affect the license that CUSA had? Who supplied the license for their use of the commodore banding.

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From page 22

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IT IS FURTHER ORDERED THAT the parties shall submit the joint, proposed corrective statements no later than January 3, 2014

This would indicate we'll see something more in the language for the general public in the near future on the websites indicated by the judge.

However, atm, I see Asiarims former website is not allowing access, at least with my browser.

http://www.asiarim.net.

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Time to dig out the old unit of "horn" which we used at the HAM radio club at the university. It's a measure of how much whiskey it takes to repair the damage done by hearing a dry joke. But I think it could apply to this judge and how he had to listen to those testimonies.

1 horn == 1 case (12 bottles) of whiskey. A more practical everyday unit is of course a millihorn, which would then be 9 ml, 20ml being a single shot as sold over the bar top in this country. I have a feeling that for me, presiding over that trial would have caused damage in the desihorn ballpark (about a liter of "uisge beatha").

Quite humorus read, though.

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Thank you.

Some rather humorous testimony in this one. Heh.

Methinks the judge needed a macro for "you DO realize you are under oath, right?"

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My crappy gmail is apparently not enough to register on the site as it claims you need a professional email address.

http://www.ip-lit.com/commodore-brand-owner-gets-1m-for-infringement/

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Link to entire article:

http://www.law360.com/articles/496603/commodore-brand-owner-gets-1m-for-infringement

Maybe it's just my browser, but the prior link asked for a subscription to receive the entire article.

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Big news about C=Holdings B.V. v. Asiarim Corporation et al.....

Commodore Brand Owner Gets $1M For Infringement

This might create some ripples. Stay tuned.

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Some new paperwork filed yesterday, indicating this is still ongoing.

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Leadgate amended their complaint per the judge's order:

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Documents show filing date by deadline, but just added to the list on the site.
Looks like at least 90 new pages.

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Also updates to the Leadgate filings against the plaintiffs who filed the paperwork mentioned in the post above. [insert lol here]

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A veritable boatload of documents have been posted since May. In fact, some of them date back before May, 2013.

Who's going to pay for this lot?

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Finally have a document list for Leadgate S.A. v. C=Holdings B.V.

Court Documents

Pay as per usual if you want to know what's going on.

Heh. 81 page initial complaint compared to 21 for C=Holdings B.V. v. Asiarim Corporation et al. This must be a pip.

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Looking at that I would agree. From my perspective it would appear that SP by Design held stock that was pledged by C= Holdings against debt owed first. Now I will be honest my understanding on stocks used against debt is basic but from how I understand it if a debt defaulted they would then be entitled to sell that stock to reclaim the money owed. for that to work though the stock has to be valid. And thats as far as I know about it as that was handled by a different dept. I dealt with hard assets like money and property.

Now going back to leadgate S.A. Maybe this has something to do with the new filings. Leadgate turns in it's shares of flag carrier Pluna and leaves behind $301.5 million USD in debt.

Is this new suit a way of clawing back lost earnings. If there is debt to be recovered and this is indeed the same consortium then this can explain a lot. Again I think, looking through this, that it is highly probable more debt exists and has been defaulted.

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