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Re: AmigaAnywhere gets introduced to the Pandora community...
Posted on 3-Jul-2009 6:48:11
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@vox

Quote:

vox wrote:
@linnar

I can agree that idea was good,
but if I can remember well, 2001 promises were:
- Develop PPC Amiga OS 4
- Develop AmigAnywhere AND include it in AmigaOS
- Develop AmigaOS5 to be "the both" or similar

All 3 stories falied. Even OS4 was promised to run on variety of devices,
while AA and OS5 were said to be universal from scratch, yet
AA applications remind me of C-64 times and there is no confirmed
machine running even OS5 early beta ...

So, we will see what does the future holds. Not to mention promised hardware
as Amiga Inc web site still states:
http://www.amiga.com/news/index.php?art=26
http://www.amiga.com/news/index.php?art=27

AmigaOne is silently discontinued, as well as Pegasos ...

Contrary to that Hyperion delivered most of promised (where are SIn and Gorky park
as well as all other games for OS4?)
As well as Acube is the only distrubutor and production company of AmigaOS hardware/OS now ...

Again, it is so that there are reasons to promises not kept. I have read some of these promises but I would say that many of the promises more reminiscent of guidelines.
AmigaOne spec is what OS4 build on, and then also aCuba hardware?
I think that OS5 will be one OS to the PC and that OS4 is a PowerPC.
ACK I do not know so much, but I feel sorry for the guy who sits at home with their machines and wait.

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Re: AmigaAnywhere gets introduced to the Pandora community...
Posted on 3-Jul-2009 6:57:36
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@Rogue

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@linnar

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But I can note that it actually gave a huge amount of publicity about all the Amiga, even OS4.


Ugh, thank you. I prefer that AmigaOS 4.x gets publicity by achievements rather than through being bashed by Apple supporters. Geez.

Market roads is unfathomable ...

OS4, however, is worth all the roads in this world!

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Re: AmigaAnywhere gets introduced to the Pandora community...
Posted on 3-Jul-2009 7:01:10
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@Arko


Quote:

Arko wrote:
@linnar
Quote:

[quote]
No developer could ever work with an announced compiler.


The first paragraph, I do not understand.


. No developer could ever work with an announced compiler it must be a real compiler..
[/quote]
Compiler is real, make small and fast code!

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Re: AmigaAnywhere gets introduced to the Pandora community...
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@linnar

Quote:
Market roads is unfathomable ...

OS4, however, is worth all the roads in this world!


Maybe I didn't have enough coffee yet this morning (*goes and helps himself to another cup*) but I don't understand what you are saying.

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Re: AmigaAnywhere gets introduced to the Pandora community...
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@linnar

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Re: AmigaAnywhere gets introduced to the Pandora community...
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@linnar

Quote:

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@Leo

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Of course I'm not waiting. I can start developing iPhone apps just by downloading a simple SDK right now. I can also develop Android Apps right now.

Good, then you can come back when it is clearly and describe how the SDK is!


That's a great idea !

You can go back to the pandora forum, when AA2 is available for pandora and make some new promotion for it.

You can come back to any Amiga forum, when AA2 is available for Amiga and make some promotion for it.

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@Rogue

Quote:

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@pavlor

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2) AA2 applications can use (scale on) different displays from QVGA PDAs to high quality LCDs.


I never really get this type of argument.
(To go ahead, if anybody thinks I am bashing AA2 here, no I am not. I don't even know it or have any incentive to get to know it. I am arguing against the scalability argument).

Scalability is all nice and well if the usage profiles are the same. But they rarely are. A PDA is used with a stylus, no mouse, and no keyboard. A console is used with a controller and no mouse and keyboard. A PC is used with a mouse and keyboard, and maybe a controller.

Intermixing these will rarely ever work. Juts look at the average console title being converted to PC's. "Rainbow Six Vegas" is a good example, the controls are aimed at console controllers, and hence on the PC doesn't make sense at all - you frequently end up opening a door instead of telling your teammates to stack up on it because the individual controls are overloaded with functions, out of necessity (controllers have a lot less buttons than keyboards).

The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion is another example for a bad user interface on the PC that was inherited from the consoles. Luckily, Bethesda has learned the lesson in Fallout 3.

I could go on about examples like this - so I will.

Assassin's Creed suffers from similar issues. As does Bioshock. As does Splinter Cell: Double Agent. Tomb Raider series. And that's only those games that I have actually played.

Now, scalability of display. You basically have the following options:
- Use a different user interface depending on size.
- Simply up- or downscale the display
- use scalable graphics
- hide or show different user interface elements depending on size.
- make everything scroll

Neither of these will work very well. A PDA typically has a portrait type display, emphasizing the vertical, while the typical PC these days has a widescreen TFT display with, say, 1920x1080 pixels. If you display a PDA's screen on that, you either need a magnifier, or individual pixels will be as big as letters in this message. Either way, it doesn't work, since the aspect ratios are different as well (Heroes of Might and Magic V doesn't work on my widescreen TFT since it cannot cope with a 19:9 aspect ratio).

The bottom line of it is that I do not believe that any platform-independent system can free you from the task of writing separate code for each and every type of appliance/platform. The usage profiles are way too different, and if you try to make this an automatic process, chances are you will settle for the lowest common denominator rather than exploit the capabilities of these platforms.

Anyway, just my 2 cents on the topic.

Absolutely right!
I agree!
I have never tested something that is fully functional on all platforms. The most common error is that the programs do not use the OS controls without using their own, often malfunctioning, controls.

Aa2, however, different modules for different platforms on which the program connects to the platform. I have only tested the module for PC-Win and where it works fine.
I have not tested if the controls work as it should, or if you need to include the lib for it. but then it is no longer platform independent.

The problem is not easy to resolve without an attached giant compiled lib file which also weigh down the resources properly.

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Re: AmigaAnywhere gets introduced to the Pandora community...
Posted on 3-Jul-2009 7:22:11
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@Rogue

Quote:

Rogue wrote:
@linnar

Quote:
Market roads is unfathomable ...

OS4, however, is worth all the roads in this world!


Maybe I didn't have enough coffee yet this morning (*goes and helps himself to another cup*) but I don't understand what you are saying.

Ugh, I replied without thinking-wise, I think OS4 is so good that it is worth all the advertising so that more users connect.

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Re: AmigaAnywhere gets introduced to the Pandora community...
Posted on 3-Jul-2009 7:34:55
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@Rogue

Quote:

Rogue wrote:
@linnar

Quote:
Market roads is unfathomable ...

OS4, however, is worth all the roads in this world!


Maybe I didn't have enough coffee yet this morning (*goes and helps himself to another cup*) but I don't understand what you are saying.


I think that he meant that even "bad" publicity, is publicity. And its better to get mentioned -even in a "bad" way- that be tottalyy ignored. My opinion though from what I understand..

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Re: AmigaAnywhere gets introduced to the Pandora community...
Posted on 3-Jul-2009 10:27:43
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About AA2: I had the chance to take a look on AA2 and it´s not more then a set of libraries for programing games. After using this libraries you can compile it for a (small) number of platforms.

That´s it.

Hollywood4 does the same, but much, much better! And Hollywood already supports AmigaOS4.1.

So I don´t see, why AA2 should attract developers.

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Re: AmigaAnywhere gets introduced to the Pandora community...
Posted on 3-Jul-2009 14:08:48
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@linnar

Quote:

There is no reason to buy a flat TV or cars that are under development now.


You see, this is where you fall flat on your face.

I recently switched from a 22 inch CRT television to a 32 inch TFT. The advantages of doing so are numerous:

1 - The screen is bigger
2 - The unit takes up less space in my front room (DESPITE the screen being larger)
3 - The new TV has HD inputs
4 - The new TV has MORE inputs (2*SCART on the old TV, this one has 2 * SCART, Composite, S-Video, VGA, Component, HDMI)

These are four advantages that were clear the MOMENT I saw the new TV.

Whenever an AA fan comes out of the works and tries to promote AA as a viable platform, they can not provide 1 single benefit. The guy on GP32X.com (it's not you, is it?)'s best line of defense was 'why not have it as another option'. Which might be a warranted defense if it was an open, free to use solution which would be easy to port. But as a closed source solution from a vendor who could pull the plug at any moment, and in the mean time want to take 40% of your takings, you need to provide a much better argument than 'well, why not?'

You, yourself, have had ample opportunities to enlighten us with the benefits that AA provides over competing, more open, technologies and you have on every occasion avoided doing so.

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Posted on 3-Jul-2009 14:27:13
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@linnar

Quote:

linnar wrote:
@Arkox

There is no reason to buy a flat TV or cars that are under development now.



It is not possible to by a flat TV or cars that are under development. And after all the discusions you stil have no clue why ? Goods under development are not available, no user can buy them.

AA2 is not available for GP32, it's not available for Pandora, it's not available for AOS4, it's not available for iPhone, it's not available for Symbian, it's not available for AROS, it's not available for MOS ...

It is totally stupid to promote this system for Pandora, for AOS4, for iPhone, for Symbian, for AROS and not for MOS ...

And Pleng already explained it, even if AA2 would be available, there is just no benefit.

Last edited by Arko on 03-Jul-2009 at 02:30 PM.

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Posted on 3-Jul-2009 14:53:09
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sorry, double post. first one didn't show up so I assumed I'd done something wrong and re-wrote!

Last edited by Pleng on 03-Jul-2009 at 03:31 PM.

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Discussion starts to slide on to why we should choose AA2 when there are already other tools with similar concepts.

My description of the flat TV and cars were just painting a way to describe it is useful when there are several options to choose from, that diversity. A poorer alternative is silliness.

You choose the course that best fits and what you like. I work with the tool LCC other select Visual C + +, while others choose Basic in any form. The choice is free.
If I describe the LCC, I mean not that it is better than others just because I think it is so good that other people should know it too.

That is how I describe AA2, and not for any other reason.
I am not the slightest interested in someone else uses it I'm just interested to push up Aa2 on the right track because many in this forum write down AA2 without knowing the least about the product.
That much I know until now is AA2 so powerful that it deserves a change, among other similar products. The final choice, however, falling on each one and I see no reason to speak ill of the final choice.

All options to AA2 are powerful and well, so it becomes a tough job for the guys behind AA2.

Last edited by linnar on 03-Jul-2009 at 07:53 PM.

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@Arko

Quote:

Arko wrote:
@linnar

Quote:

linnar wrote:
@Arkox

There is no reason to buy a flat TV or cars that are under development now.



It is not possible to by a flat TV or cars that are under development. And after all the discusions you stil have no clue why ? Goods under development are not available, no user can buy them.

AA2 is not available for GP32, it's not available for Pandora, it's not available for AOS4, it's not available for iPhone, it's not available for Symbian, it's not available for AROS, it's not available for MOS ...

It is totally stupid to promote this system for Pandora, for AOS4, for iPhone, for Symbian, for AROS and not for MOS ...

And Pleng already explained it, even if AA2 would be available, there is just no benefit.

I know it is not "available" at the moment. I know it now and I knew it before and will know it as long as it is not available for just what you describe.
Nobody is saying anything else!

However, someone presented the package on Pandora community and another has highlighted over the thread here. I see it as that it is permissible to describe Aa2 here. The reason why it happens to be me describing it because I managed to download the package before the link was taken down. Have tried it a little and think of the little I have seen that it is surprisingly good. If it is good enough is another matter and depends on each one.

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Here are some pictures from AA2:

http://www.kensonpro.com/_amiga/1_aa2_start_NewShell.jpg

http://www.kensonpro.com/_amiga/2_aa2_Shell.jpg

http://www.kensonpro.com/_amiga/3_aa2_Readme.jpg

http://www.kensonpro.com/_amiga/4_aa2_example.jpg

http://www.kensonpro.com/_amiga/aa2_Manual_1.jpg

http://www.kensonpro.com/_amiga/aa2_Manual_2.jpg

http://www.kensonpro.com/_amiga/aa2_Manual_3.jpg

http://www.kensonpro.com/_amiga/aa2_Manual_4.jpg

http://www.kensonpro.com/_amiga/aa2_Manual_5.jpg

http://www.kensonpro.com/_amiga/aa2_Manual_6.jpg

http://www.kensonpro.com/_amiga/aa2_Manual_7.jpg

http://www.kensonpro.com/_amiga/aa2_Manual_8.jpg

http://www.kensonpro.com/_amiga/aa2_Manual_9.jpg

http://www.kensonpro.com/_amiga/aa2_Manual_10.jpg

Last edited by linnar on 03-Jul-2009 at 09:51 PM.

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@linnar

Looks good...

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I found my SDA. It must be sent signed to Amiga Inc California and the Cross Architecture New York.

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@linnar

This is why nobody uses AA. Not just that it is (and always will be) in a beta state, but because whenever anybody asks you, or one of the other few hardcore fans, to clearly list some benefits of using it (we are all aware of the drawbacks), we get irrelevant babble such as this:

Quote:

Discussion starts to slide on to why we should choose AA2 when there are already other tools with similar concepts...All options to AA2 are powerful and well, so it becomes a tough job for the guys behind AA2.

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@linnar: Again, I had the chance to take a look on AA2 and it´s not more than a set of libraries (like SDL), with the option, to compile your program to a few platforms (like Hollywood, but Hollywood is far better). It has nothing to do with AA(1), which was at least interesting (thanks TAO).

So please don´t tell us stories about how "powerful" AA2 is. It is not.


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