@Teddy

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How about just wait for a while when the "ambitious secret project tm" gets mature enough and they announce it, as they said?

A this point no one even knows if it will appeal to the existing user base, the uncertainty of which may either dissuade people from making a purchase or conversely to commit based on the understanding that the next best thing is on the way.

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It is extremely easy to sit behind a desk and just criticize everything you don't like, but a whole lot different when you invest yourself into something.

But who dropped the hint in the first place? You can't expect a community that has been longing for a ray of hope to be content with another tease do you?

It's not even clear at this point who legally holds the cards when it comes to the IP for the AmigaOS let alone if there is a roadmap for continued development.

It doesn't seem to me that anyone is asking for specific details on this project, just whether or not it relates to the existing product and when they can expect further information. If the undertaking isn't relevant or the timeframe isn't within the scope of someone's interest they will move on.

@all

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@ne_one

Absolutely spot on.

I find it amazing that a group of people can sit in the dark for so long and still think it's wrong to ask about the lights being switched on.

Chris

@Teddy

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It is extremely easy to sit behind a desk and just criticize everything you don't like, but a whole lot different when you invest yourself into something.

I can only comment from my side of the fence.

I want a growing AmigaOS community with a growing developer and application base. I'd like a roadmap that targets growth and some openness about the direction we're headed. I want a low cost of entry to developers on competitive hardware. I want some resoulution to the Amiga vs Hyperion battle.

If I don't see that then I want developers to jump on board with AROS, make up for 10 years of lost time and start moving forward again.

Right now, there's no plan, no openness, no resolution, no growth. So, sorry Hyperion, but that's where my interest lies.

Chris

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If you believe what you type, tell me what you think AROS would have achieved as a PowerPC project.

At least the same as MorphOS or AmigaOS4, being able to run 680x0 software should be possible whit AROS for PowerPC, but they did not go down that route.

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There are many reasons why AROS doesn't have those applications you list. The historical immaturity of the OS actually preventing app development, the speed open-source projects always take to reach stable milestones, the Amiga community's focus on official Amiga software, and that most of the interested developers are too busy actually building the OS to write apps..

actually your wrong, its not because immaturity of the OS, it is because AmigaOS4/AROS and MorphOS is designed up on legacy API that no one else uses, so no matter what CPU you run on, you most rewrite large amount of code to get wherry basic components to run, like Pango, GTK or GDK, and many of components that this large software packages depends on.

Reading serk118 original comment I get impression that he thinks if AmigaOS4 was for x86, it it just matter of writing.

Sh ./configure
make all

Then he is greatly mistaken, its not architecture but it is the API used that is the main problem, most Linux programs are actually written to be compiled on x86, ARM, MIPS and PowerPC, its not uncommon to use in line macro 's to deal whit endiens in the source code, AmigaOS/MorphOS/AORS might be closer to Linux then Windows but don't make the mistak of thinking that x86 will fix the problem.

I'm not going to comment on your last paragraph about AROS popularity, my views about that subject is irrelevant to the point I was making.

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Thats good to know.

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Right now, there's no plan, no openness, no resolution, no growth. So, sorry Hyperion, but that's where my interest lies.

If I was to comment about AROS like that I say

Right now, there's no plan, no sense of direction, lack of focuses on hardware support, sorry AROS developers, but that's where my interest lies.

and then we flame on

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i'm just uploading a new version on os4depot that has also Altivec enabled (you will find the usual generic ppc and the altivec one)

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I have used A1XE-g4/933 and uA1/800, thanks. And these systems are slower than a G4/1.5ghz.

But, I don't understand what applications run TOO SLOW on OS4/4.1?
What processor intensive apps, do we have that require faster hardware?

The UI is more reponsive than any other system out there, and we don't as yet have apps that can stress the system. In my opinion, It is better to learn to walk, before we try to run.

Let's get the missing app's available first, and then shout for better hardware.

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@NutsAboutAmiga

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being able to run 680x0 software should be possible whit AROS for PowerPC, but they did not go down that route.

68K emulator for AROS-PPC did not happen because there is not enough devs to do it. Had there been more AROS-PPC (as you will remember, AROS-PPC came out for SAM440 before OS4 did) Devs, or AROS Devs interested in developing a 68K emulator, it would have happened. What few AROS Devs are out there, not too many are that interested in supporting PPC because most see it as a dead arch.

Last I read, UAE integration is being completed for x86.

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@Cool_amigaN

You mean they have given up Symbian?
I thought it is a Korean company which sells 800MHz mobile!!

@Cool_amigaN

ambitious, great.

ARM?

@Cool_amigaN

My dad is father christmas

@Cool_amigaN

For real?


@Kicko
Hehehehe.

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@clebin

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I find it amazing that a group of people can sit in the dark for so long and still think it's wrong to ask about the lights being switched on.

It is obvious you are not an astronomer then !

@NutsAboutAmiga

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Right now, there's no plan, no sense of direction, lack of focuses on hardware support, sorry AROS developers, but that's where my interest lies.

Been many years that the above was correct for AROS. This past 12 or so months, direction of hardware has been established to a point in the AROS future via Genesi hardware.

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userbase x 3 at least now

@clebin

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I can only comment from my side of the fence. I want a growing AmigaOS community with a growing developer and application base. I'd like a roadmap that targets growth and some openness about the direction we're headed. I want a low cost of entry to developers on competitive hardware. I want some resoulution to the Amiga vs Hyperion battle. If I don't see that then I want developers to jump on board with AROS, make up for 10 years of lost time and start moving forward again. Right now, there's no plan, no openness, no resolution, no growth. So, sorry Hyperion, but that's where my interest lies. Chris

Ok, but we don't know why is it so. Do you honestly believe that Hyperion deliberately torture us by teasing us with this little info which, actually, lets us know they are alive and are working on something? Do you think they are really that stupid?
I think you underestimate them.

They said that the info will be available near the end of the year, and I guess there is pretty good reason for that. Reason other than to tease us just for the sake of it.
You all have to understand, we are just to small in numbers to make real money. AOS has to go broader if it is to become commercial viable. Then we can talk about road-maps, plans, development etc.

I also want all the stuff you mentioned, but that can't happened by it self now can it.
As I said before, to make that happened you got to have resources. A lot of it, and I mean a lot. That can be achieved by being filthy rich or by heaving vast market. Our platform has neither at the moment, and it has to be sorted out.

There probably is more stuff in the background that we can't even imagine.

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